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AI makes programming differently difficult

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Re: AI makes programming differently difficult

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Post by kloop »

causal wrote: post #18
twa927 wrote: post #15

> Code becomes only one representation of thought among many overlapping ones. This is wrong, code is the concrete "truth" being executed, the rest (plans, prompts, agent instructions) are just temporary artifacts used to generate the code. What's left is the code alone. LLMs don't have any semantics, they can't execute anything with 100% certainty. So far programming languages are the only langugues that can do that…

I think you misunderstand. Code is also representing something. It may be what gets executed, but that does not make it "correct".

It does make it correct in the reality sense

If someone says something happens and the code says something else, the code wins.

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Post by leke »

dsmurrell wrote: post #6

It's somehow more tiring, reading complex plans in response to your guidance, and then making decision after decision. Reminds me of this Alan Watts bit... A farmer who ordered a farmhand quickly discovered he was an extraordinarily efficient worker. The first day, he put him on sawing logs, and the farmhand sawed more logs than anybody else, ever. It was fantastic — but the wood-cutting work was all done in one day.…

If the AI is asking you questions and requiring you to make decision after decision, then perhaps it's a spec issue. I know I've written a good spec if the AI does not ask any questions and doesn't get anything wrong after implementing the user story.

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Post by kypro »

It's way easier. People don't need to read code anymore, nor will they have to care about building mental models about the system as this article suggests.

The way to think about coding agents is that a good one should in theory literally replace the developer entirely. No, a whole organisation of developers.

In theory a product owner should just be able to dictate how they want to product to function at a high level and the AI should take care of the rest in the same way a human programmer or team of programmers would have in the past. If there are conflicts in what's being requested, then the AI should be able to recognise that and ask for production direction.

As always with every generation of AI people seem to way over index on the now.

- "They're good for autocomplete, that's about it"

- "They're good for quickly mocking up small functions, but they make a lot of mistakes"

- "They're good for scaffolding some parts of the system if you're good at prompt engineering"

- "They're good at writing most of the code, but humans will always need to do the last 10%"

- "They can write all of the code, but humans will still need to architect the system"

You are here. Perhaps this is where progress stops. I wouldn't bet on that however.

AI is making programming an irrelevent field.

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Post by [deleted] »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #10

Tackling software architecture is not programming, that is architecture. They're called different things for a reason. It is now easier to write working code via AI. Anyone that can type can do it. The syntax (language) barrier is fully removed. I'm done with syntax, looking up the new right way to do things, etc. It works via prompting. Tell it what to write and it comes out the other end with a working program. Tha…

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Re: AI makes programming differently difficult

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Post by yananghelp »

AI merely reduces the difficulty of coding, without directly increasing the difficulty of architectural judgment. It merely brings to light the actual difficulty of this task. Moreover, I believe that in the future, AI will also possess certain architectural judgment capabilities. However, the cost of such AI might even be higher than that of humans.

Re: AI makes programming differently difficult

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Post by runarberg »

asdfman123 wrote: post #17
mostlysimilar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's where I've landed too. Maybe I'm just delusional and telling myself a comfortable story, but I think my ~15 years of experience building software by hand lets me utilize these robots in a way that people lacking it simply can't. I still absolutely loathe talking to them and using them. But I feel less scared about losing my career these days. Work wants me to use it, I'm using it at work. In my hobby projects…

Yep, that's definitely true... for now. The thing that concerns me, however, is that just a year ago it was only useful for doing things like reminding me how to read in a file. Now it's at the level of a competent junior, who can almost do the whole task from start to finish but needs a little supervision. All the AI companies are retaining the messages we're sending to their agents to train the next models. I would…

People were saying the exact same thing exactly a year ago. “Last years models were no good, but this year we can do anything; so what about next years models?” the people said in July of 2025.

Well... Now we have next years models, and people are still saying: “Last years models were no good, but this year we can do anything; so what about next years models?” And I am pretty sure in July 2027 (if this whole thing hasn’t collapsed in on it self by that point [very likely]) you all will be saying: “Last years models were no good, but this year we can do anything; so what about next years models?”

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