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The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by leonidasrup »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #6

I think this manifesto conflates Palantir with: The CIA The NSA JSOC The US Armed Forces Weapons Contractors Law Enforcement Federal Counter-Intelligence Various dictatorships Criminal Enterprises Hit squads

In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s investment arm, was early investor into Palantir.

"The company has found itself at the center of a topic that has become especially important for the United States: how to use AI in defense, intelligence and government management. Palantir has historically been close to this market. Its early investor was In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s investment arm, and its largest customers for a long time were U.S. government agencies and the military. That connection has become even stronger: last year, Palantir had nearly $900 million in contracts with the Pentagon, and earlier the company received a U.S. Army contract worth up to $10 billion over 10 years."

https://tradersunion.com/news/editors-picks/show/1992613-pal...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir

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Post by tancop »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #17
gremlinunderway wrote: post #13

What about this is unique to Palantir at all? As far as I'm aware, there are many, many more companies deeply embedded with the US intelligence community and law enforcement and Palantir isn't all that special here. Microsoft, Amazon, IBM, etc. all have massive contracts directly supporting the same thing. I don't understand what makes Palantir special here.

My guess is that it works so well that actual criminal enterprises and foreign adversaries found it a risk - so they send bots to brigade every comment section.

they dont need bots. all normal people know that total usa and big tech domination would turn the world into the worst dictatorship in history. alex karp wants a future where anyone who speaks out against the government gets tracked down and threatened with a drone strike on their home.

if fighting against it means supporting cartels and china then so be it.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by Xmd5a »

adrian_b wrote: post #20

Any manifesto of this kind unavoidably contains many naive parts. The reason is that it is always easy to notice what is bad around you, but it is very difficult to conceive what should be done about it. The paragraphs of the manifesto about how serious the problem of mass surveillance and unaccountability of private companies has become, are undeniably correct. Which is the solution for a better future is much less…

It's obviously body-integrated cryptography or your whole activity – own your data. With markets that retrospectively evaluate what's it's worth.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

leonidasrup wrote: post #21
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #6

I think this manifesto conflates Palantir with: The CIA The NSA JSOC The US Armed Forces Weapons Contractors Law Enforcement Federal Counter-Intelligence Various dictatorships Criminal Enterprises Hit squads

In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s investment arm, was early investor into Palantir. "The company has found itself at the center of a topic that has become especially important for the United States: how to use AI in defense, intelligence and government management. Palantir has historically been close to this market. Its early investor was In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s investment arm, and its largest customers for a long time were U.S. gover…

The same could be said about Oracle though, that they received the benfits of early investment by the CIA.

However scary Oracle license auditors are though, no one conflates them with the CIA.

We're now in an era where people are actively trying to compare a contractor doing some type of IT support, to a company.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

gcr wrote: post #10
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #6

I think this manifesto conflates Palantir with: The CIA The NSA JSOC The US Armed Forces Weapons Contractors Law Enforcement Federal Counter-Intelligence Various dictatorships Criminal Enterprises Hit squads

Palantir pioneered forward-deployed engineering, aren’t they deeply embedded in the above?

no one is going to conflate a Palantir FDE with an actual pipehitter

Contractors doing IT support aren't "Operators" in the tactical sense, nor agents in the LE sense, nor Officers in the IC sense, nor a Boeing/Lockheed/Leidos/etc type developing weapons.

This is just a new method to scapegoat a company

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by leonidasrup »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #24
leonidasrup wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s investment arm, was early investor into Palantir. "The company has found itself at the center of a topic that has become especially important for the United States: how to use AI in defense, intelligence and government management. Palantir has historically been close to this market. Its early investor was In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s investment arm, and its largest customers for a long time were U.S. gover…

The same could be said about Oracle though, that they received the benfits of early investment by the CIA. However scary Oracle license auditors are though, no one conflates them with the CIA. We're now in an era where people are actively trying to compare a contractor doing some type of IT support, to a company.

Palantir is de-facto military contractor and the Palantir CEO knows it.

"“Our product is used, on occasion, to kill people,” Karp said in an interview with news website Axios in 2020."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChwSTuDa9RY

https://www.sciencefocus.com/future-technology/inside-palant...

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by red-iron-pine »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #17
gremlinunderway wrote: post #13

What about this is unique to Palantir at all? As far as I'm aware, there are many, many more companies deeply embedded with the US intelligence community and law enforcement and Palantir isn't all that special here. Microsoft, Amazon, IBM, etc. all have massive contracts directly supporting the same thing. I don't understand what makes Palantir special here.

My guess is that it works so well that actual criminal enterprises and foreign adversaries found it a risk - so they send bots to brigade every comment section.

criminal enterprises don't waste time on PR, and foreign adversaries would send bots to brigade anything and everything positive about their targets

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

leonidasrup wrote: post #26
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same could be said about Oracle though, that they received the benfits of early investment by the CIA. However scary Oracle license auditors are though, no one conflates them with the CIA. We're now in an era where people are actively trying to compare a contractor doing some type of IT support, to a company.

Palantir is de-facto military contractor and the Palantir CEO knows it. "“Our product is used, on occasion, to kill people,” Karp said in an interview with news website Axios in 2020." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChwSTuDa9RY https://www.sciencefocus.com/future-technology/inside-palant...

That is hyperbole as Palantir doesn’t pull the trigger

We could easily say: Microsoft, Red Hat, NVIDIA, Apple, Google, openAI, Amazon & Meta are all defense contractors too

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by leonidasrup »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #28
leonidasrup wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir is de-facto military contractor and the Palantir CEO knows it. "“Our product is used, on occasion, to kill people,” Karp said in an interview with news website Axios in 2020." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChwSTuDa9RY https://www.sciencefocus.com/future-technology/inside-palant...

That is hyperbole as Palantir doesn’t pull the trigger We could easily say: Microsoft, Red Hat, NVIDIA, Apple, Google, openAI, Amazon & Meta are all defense contractors too

Could Palantir be compared with Raytheon? A major U.S. defense contractor and industrial corporation with manufacturing concentrations in weapons and military and commercial electronics. Raytheon makes air traffic control systems, radars and sensors, satellite sensors, missile defense systems, missiles.
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