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How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by alightsoul »

rho138 wrote: post #6

Nah guys, it’s cool, by 2050 the earths atmosphere acidifies for humans and our bodies can’t hold enough phosphorus or calcium for basic metabolic tasks: https://doi.org/10.1007/s11869-026-01918-5

There's countries like Panama where medical blood tests are common to get an office job and also employ outsourcing with contractors on site to boost productivity and avoid sick down time. Like here https://copa.gcs-web.com/company-profile I know this causes a lot of false negatives and unnecessary over treatment. Basically they expect you to not need the salary and reject those who would benefit from a salary for private healthcare because public healthcare often has no supplies. Also, Humanity would much rather kill itself than do things the right way.

Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by Alpha3031 »

timr wrote: post #13
rho138 wrote: post #6

Nah guys, it’s cool, by 2050 the earths atmosphere acidifies for humans and our bodies can’t hold enough phosphorus or calcium for basic metabolic tasks: https://doi.org/10.1007/s11869-026-01918-5

This article is nonsense. It takes observational data from a survey, averages it, doesn’t control for obvious medical factors that more strongly influence the observed data than climate (e.g. illnesses), and then asserts that the correlation is causative. It is not science. It’s just propaganda.

Fairly sure "may" means something different to "is" but maybe I'm just not the target audience and am reading it wrong.

Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by ColdStream »

mmooss wrote: post #4
madhacker wrote: post #2

Needs a Hail Mary event for humanity to work together

The event we need is for you and others to start working, instead of standing on the sidelines telling other people it's impossible. Humanity has overcome many things by working together. Much of humanity is already working together to overcome climate change. In fact, if the Republican Party in the US would get to work on it, that may be a sufficient fraction of humanity. And if the US led on it, more would particip…

I do agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't' just sit back and go "Well its done now!". It is better to try than to do nothing at all.

But when it comes to climate action it really seems like scale and latency has really hidden the full scale of the issue.

It is so big that few if any people really comprehend the hyper object and the systemic nature of it. It is so slow to show up direct results that most can ignore it short term.

I have said that the right lives in denial and the left lives in delusion. The right say it isn't at thing or it isn't a big issue. The left tend to seek technical solutions that aren't all that. Near me is a mural of Greta Thunberg that was put up in 2020, it calls for "Net zero by 2025." that was never going to happen on a time scale like that.

As for the Republicans changing the tastes of the world, unfortunately the one thing that Trump has done very well the last decade is burn through any sense of trust of the nation. Regardless of everything else, trust is the one resource you do not want to run out of, it is the foundation on which everything else sits.

Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by rho138 »

alightsoul wrote: post #21
rho138 wrote: post #6

Nah guys, it’s cool, by 2050 the earths atmosphere acidifies for humans and our bodies can’t hold enough phosphorus or calcium for basic metabolic tasks: https://doi.org/10.1007/s11869-026-01918-5

There's countries like Panama where medical blood tests are common to get an office job and also employ outsourcing with contractors on site to boost productivity and avoid sick down time. Like here https://copa.gcs-web.com/company-profile I know this causes a lot of false negatives and unnecessary over treatment. Basically they expect you to not need the salary and reject those who would benefit from a salary for pr…

I’m so confused

Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by mmooss »

GuB-42 wrote: post #9
mmooss wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The event we need is for you and others to start working, instead of standing on the sidelines telling other people it's impossible. Humanity has overcome many things by working together. Much of humanity is already working together to overcome climate change. In fact, if the Republican Party in the US would get to work on it, that may be a sufficient fraction of humanity. And if the US led on it, more would particip…

It is easy to start working on it when you are rich, but people in the world aren't, and they aren't because we are and we exploit them. And these people don't care about how terrible the next centuries are going to be because they need to survive right now, so climate change is not a priority. It is kind of depressing, really. We can't even agree on not killing each other. I mean, no one wants to get killed right, a…

Wow, people are really advocates of helplessness. Warfare is a great example:

It has gone on for all of history, yet people working together have mostly eliminated it - exactly what you say. It has gone on for all of history, and most of what humans have acheived by working together have been done contemporaneously with it.

Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by alightsoul »

rho138 wrote: post #24
alightsoul wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's countries like Panama where medical blood tests are common to get an office job and also employ outsourcing with contractors on site to boost productivity and avoid sick down time. Like here https://copa.gcs-web.com/company-profile I know this causes a lot of false negatives and unnecessary over treatment. Basically they expect you to not need the salary and reject those who would benefit from a salary for pr…

I’m so confused

It's shifting into employees the effects of climate change. Filtering them out as a personal responsibility problem. Those unlucky to "need" treatment because they failed the test and are thus not hired are thus stuck in a poverty circle. Business as usual, not reducing emissions is accepted even though it is guaranteed death in a few years.

Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by derwiki »

tremon wrote: post #15
timr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is nonsense. It takes observational data from a survey, averages it, doesn’t control for obvious medical factors that more strongly influence the observed data than climate (e.g. illnesses), and then asserts that the correlation is causative. It is not science. It’s just propaganda.

I look forward to reading your research article refuting this one. Please let us know the arxiv url when you're ready to publish.

Are you saying you think it’s unreasonable to disagree on a research paper unless you commit to publishing another paper in response?

Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by Teever »

8note wrote: post #20
Teever wrote: post #8

A $13 billion dollar Meta datacentre was recently announced for a location near me: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/meta-data-centre-alb... There's a kaleidoscope of issues with this that result in strong feelings of dismay and it took me a couple days of thinking about this recent announcement before I realized what's so completely disappointing about it. So they're installing a $13 billion dollar data centr…

youre in edmonton, you can complain pretty directly to the government but also, like, alberta makes a killing selling oil for others to burn. its still our carbon footprint and its a lot worse than that data center and cant be converted to non-emitting

Can you elaborate on your comment?

I can see the link between it and the subject that I raised but I don't understand the point that you're trying to make in the context of the conversation.

Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by AlexandrB »

rho138 wrote: post #6

Nah guys, it’s cool, by 2050 the earths atmosphere acidifies for humans and our bodies can’t hold enough phosphorus or calcium for basic metabolic tasks: https://doi.org/10.1007/s11869-026-01918-5

The increase in atmospheric CO2 in the coming decades is nothing compared to how much CO2 increases in a closed room - for example a bedroom that you spend 8 hours in[1]. The paper you linked even notes this (exerpt below). This kind of alarmism just gives more ammunition to folks who want to entirely dismiss CO2 as a problem, but sure, let's keep ringing that bell.

> For example, The National Human Activity Pattern Survey (NHAPS) found that Americans spent an average of 87% of their time in enclosed buildings and ~ 6% of their time in enclosed vehicles in 1992–1994 (Klepeis et al., 2001). This has potentially increased since the COVID-19 pandemic (Young et al., 2024), with many people working-from-home in environments with poor mechanical air-ventilation (Nazaroff, 2021). The proportion of time spent in indoor, CO2 enriched environments could also contribute to the changes in blood chemistry noted in the NHANES data and is an important consideration in interpreting changes over time, and forecasts for the future.

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S036013232...

Re: How to Abandon Your Climate Commitments and Get Away with It

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Post by ColdStream »

xyzsparetimexyz wrote: post #11
mmooss wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The event we need is for you and others to start working, instead of standing on the sidelines telling other people it's impossible. Humanity has overcome many things by working together. Much of humanity is already working together to overcome climate change. In fact, if the Republican Party in the US would get to work on it, that may be a sufficient fraction of humanity. And if the US led on it, more would particip…

Okay. Who's gonna pay me to work on it? I'm looking for a new job. Can start tomorrow

This is a key part of the game theory behind this predicament.

Can we pay our way out of it? If we could it would be to direct our actions towards things like nature restoration rather than anything that could directly increase consumption. In fact it would actively decrease production and reduce consumption by sucking direct resources out of the market economy. Yes, you are being paid to fix some problems but also pulling our of manufacturing thus increasing the prices of almost everything you purchase.

But that is a part of the idea behind planned degrowth. Use the system to actively scale down consumption before ecological and resource constraint blow back forces it. Better to be proactive than reactive.

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