Can't get to the noisetrade website. 502 and appears to be using a private certificate.
Sadly it seems to be dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoiseTrade
As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
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Re: As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
#22Can't get to the noisetrade website. 502 and appears to be using a private certificate.
This article is from 2011. Noisetrade was a very cool site for several years, but I don't think it's still operational.
Re: As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
#23Until we are honest about the Spotify payment model, how can we ever possibly come to a consensus of what is fair and what is not? These comment sections are full of misinformation, and posters are very rarely held accountable for spreading that misinformation.
There absolutely is a conversation to be had here, but it is not the one that has taken place for years and years. To be fair to OP, the information wasn't quite as ubiquitous in 2011 as it is today.. but for the last 5 years at least Spotify has published yearly reports giving information to how the payment system works.
The model is a pro-rata model. There is no per-stream rate. The amount of money paid out each month is stream-share based from a shared pool of money which contains roughly 2/3 of every dollar spotify makes. These payments are paid to rights holders (not artists.. labels, distributors) and then rights holders pay a percentage of that to not just artists, but also publishers and song writers. The rate they pay their artists is their business, Spotify isn't dictating that. In fact, this payment model is industry standard (most major streamers pay the same 2/3) and heavily favors the rights holders, which have always dominated the cash flow of the music industry. They just have Spotify to take the heat now.
So, like I said, there is a conversation out there to be had. That conversation is more is 2/3 of music revenue fair? Should Spotify charge users per stream instead of a monthly subscription? Should the subscription be something more like $20/month? $50?
Just dunking on Spotify isn't helping artists. https://loudandclear.byspotify.com/
Re: As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
And what good does that do those artists precisely? From the article: “For example, I am paid $0.00029 per stream of a song on Spotify, and even this amount depends on whether the song is being streamed by a paid user or someone using the service for free. This means it will take upwards of 3,500 streams of a single song on Spotify to earn $1.00 versus that same revenue for one iTunes song purchase (not to mention th…
It enables them to build small but dedicated global fan bases that support the artist directly. The alternative is all music is paid only and they could potentially make more money, except for the fact that they’re completely unknown and there is zero demand for their music.
I think this is a false dichotomy. There's no reason "all music is paid only" is the only option besides the all-you-can-stream for one monthly fee popularized by Spotify.
For example, the other day I discovered a local artist on Instagram. I went to her Bandcamp page and was able to listen to some tracks for free with zero friction. I ended up purchasing the deluxe vinyl, and it was one of my favorite albums that came out last year.
I've done similar with the radio. I went from hearing a track on the radio to purchasing the album on Bandcamp in like ten minutes.
Spotify and the like CAN help with discovery, sure, but that doesn't have anything to do with their business model.
Re: As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
#25The last concert I went to was Lord Huron in the Boston House of Blues, in 2018. Not much of a concert guy, clearly.
Just make the albums easily downloadable on Bandcamp is all I ask.
Re: As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
#26There's no reason as an independent artist to put your music on Spotify or any other streamer if you're not making the money you think you deserve. There's no reason to complain if you did it anyway.
Re: As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
#27Without Spotify and (to a lesser extent) piracy before it, I wouldn’t be listening to 1/10th of the artists I listen to. Maybe it’s just moral cope but I can’t see how it can be made any better for niche or up and coming independent artists.
And what good does that do those artists precisely? From the article: “For example, I am paid $0.00029 per stream of a song on Spotify, and even this amount depends on whether the song is being streamed by a paid user or someone using the service for free. This means it will take upwards of 3,500 streams of a single song on Spotify to earn $1.00 versus that same revenue for one iTunes song purchase (not to mention th…
I wonder how artist pay would change if each artist got a proportional cut of every listeners fee instead of listened bring pooled and paid out that way.
I can listen to only indie artists all month long and they get laid about 15 cents from my listening. Surely more of that from my monthly fee is going to artists, but it is going to artists I don't even listen to like Taylor Swift or whoever
Re: As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
#28I saw in a YouTube video once, and I'll paraphrase because I forgot, something that resonated well with me about piracy. They said piracy is never about cost, but almost always about a service issue. Basically people flocked to Napster (and the likes) at the time because it let them browse an infinitude of music which was, back then, incredible. That was just market demand validation, a latent problem waiting for a s…
I can teach pretty much any film I want for £3 through Apple tv. That’s the same price I paid at the video store in the 90s, Except inflation means it’s half the price in real terms and the quality is far higher.
Hell I rent films I own on blueray as diving through the cd wallets while the pizza goes good isn’t worth the saving.
Re: As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
#29This is an argument that, for an independent "middle-class" musician, giving recordings away in return for direct fan contact can be economically superior to selling individual downloads. Fully agree. I started to do so more than twenty years ago: https://rochus-keller.ch/?cat=3. I went even a step further in that I'm not even associated with a collecting-society (SUISA here in Switzerland), but permit everyone including radio stations or vloggers to play my music for free; the very little copyright royalties is much less than the publicity effect.
Re: As a musician, I prefer illegal downloading over Spotify (2011)
#30Until we are honest about the Spotify payment model, how can we ever possibly come to a consensus of what is fair and what is not? These comment sections are full of misinformation, and posters are very rarely held accountable for spreading that misinformation. There absolutely is a conversation to be had here, but it is not the one that has taken place for years and years. To be fair to OP, the information wasn't qu…
This is a good clarification but I think the core issue is that Spotify (and Apple Music and Amazon Music and probably others) have chosen a business model in which consumers can listen to basically everything and yet artists do not get paid. The rightsholders suffer too yet they are complicit.
This business model ALWAYS outcompetes any other, and can't be "fixed" imo, because no one will pay per-stream or pay $50 a month.