Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

German AI consortium releases Soofi S, an open 30B model that tops benchmarks

the-decoder.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 38 posts

Re: German AI consortium releases Soofi S, an open 30B model that tops benchmarks

#21

Post by throw-the-towel »

lejalv wrote: post #19
chis wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, my reaction was the exact opposite. Details like this show that they're fundamentally unserious and focused on the wrong things. Imagine if Germany, when developing their automotive industry, spent all their time focusing on reusing the waste heat from production to heat homes instead of just building great cars. They probably would not have sold many cars!

Survival! Wrong thing! Stay away! Sell cars, that's what you've got to do, at any price.

But then again, AI is a paperclip maximiser after all...

Re: German AI consortium releases Soofi S, an open 30B model that tops benchmarks

#22

Post by morsch »

chis wrote: post #17
skeledrew wrote: post #13

> the facility runs entirely on renewable energy, is cooled with water from the Eisbach canal, and feeds waste heat into the surrounding Tucherpark neighborhood. That's it right there. Show the others how it's done. Can see going forward most model training being done in winter, making for a proper resource recycling ecosystem.

It's funny, my reaction was the exact opposite. Details like this show that they're fundamentally unserious and focused on the wrong things. Imagine if Germany, when developing their automotive industry, spent all their time focusing on reusing the waste heat from production to heat homes instead of just building great cars. They probably would not have sold many cars!

That is funny because Germany did in fact use the process ("waste") heat from steel mills for district heating on a large scale. The steel was then used by the automotive industry, among other things. We're talking 50+ years ago.

Re: German AI consortium releases Soofi S, an open 30B model that tops benchmarks

#23

Post by frb »

I wanted to try it today.

Had to request access on huggingface, which was still not answered after a day.

Given all the Inkling and Kimi announcements, this atm just feels like too little too late to be taken seriously.

That said, it’s their first release and I hope they do catch up fast.

Re: German AI consortium releases Soofi S, an open 30B model that tops benchmarks

#26

Post by justsomehnguy »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #21
lejalv wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Survival! Wrong thing! Stay away! Sell cars, that's what you've got to do, at any price.

But then again, AI is a paperclip maximiser after all...

Oh no!

Must resist... making... papercli

Re: German AI consortium releases Soofi S, an open 30B model that tops benchmarks

#27

Post by eigenspace »

chis wrote: post #17
skeledrew wrote: post #13

> the facility runs entirely on renewable energy, is cooled with water from the Eisbach canal, and feeds waste heat into the surrounding Tucherpark neighborhood. That's it right there. Show the others how it's done. Can see going forward most model training being done in winter, making for a proper resource recycling ecosystem.

It's funny, my reaction was the exact opposite. Details like this show that they're fundamentally unserious and focused on the wrong things. Imagine if Germany, when developing their automotive industry, spent all their time focusing on reusing the waste heat from production to heat homes instead of just building great cars. They probably would not have sold many cars!

In most German cities (and even many villages), district heating is a rather common utility offering. There's pipes everywhere to move around the hot water to people's homes, and the water is typically heated by the waste heat from gas plants and waste heat from factories (though increasingly being supplemented with giant heat pumps).

This isnt some novel thing in Germany, selling excess heat from some energy intensive commercial proccess is pretty standard. The local district heating operator probably took care of almost all the infrastructure for them.

Re: German AI consortium releases Soofi S, an open 30B model that tops benchmarks

#28

Post by probably_wrong »

chis wrote: post #17
skeledrew wrote: post #13

> the facility runs entirely on renewable energy, is cooled with water from the Eisbach canal, and feeds waste heat into the surrounding Tucherpark neighborhood. That's it right there. Show the others how it's done. Can see going forward most model training being done in winter, making for a proper resource recycling ecosystem.

It's funny, my reaction was the exact opposite. Details like this show that they're fundamentally unserious and focused on the wrong things. Imagine if Germany, when developing their automotive industry, spent all their time focusing on reusing the waste heat from production to heat homes instead of just building great cars. They probably would not have sold many cars!

Two weeks ago a heatwave linked to climate change killed in Germany an excess 1300 people [1, 2]. It was the deadliest single day of the last 25 years [3] - the mean numbers of deaths per day is 2400 while June 29 reports 4800.

If the attitude to a German AI effort using renewables is to object "but think of the benchmarks!" that feels like a step in the wrong direction in general and, with this particular context, also in particular.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4d2vv935lo

[2] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-june-heat-wave-linked-to-5000-...

[3] https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/gvL9c/4/

Re: German AI consortium releases Soofi S, an open 30B model that tops benchmarks

#29

Post by paddim8 »

chis wrote: post #17
skeledrew wrote: post #13

> the facility runs entirely on renewable energy, is cooled with water from the Eisbach canal, and feeds waste heat into the surrounding Tucherpark neighborhood. That's it right there. Show the others how it's done. Can see going forward most model training being done in winter, making for a proper resource recycling ecosystem.

It's funny, my reaction was the exact opposite. Details like this show that they're fundamentally unserious and focused on the wrong things. Imagine if Germany, when developing their automotive industry, spent all their time focusing on reusing the waste heat from production to heat homes instead of just building great cars. They probably would not have sold many cars!

District heating is the most normal thing ever....

Re: German AI consortium releases Soofi S, an open 30B model that tops benchmarks

#30

Post by cyanydeez »

chis wrote: post #17
skeledrew wrote: post #13

> the facility runs entirely on renewable energy, is cooled with water from the Eisbach canal, and feeds waste heat into the surrounding Tucherpark neighborhood. That's it right there. Show the others how it's done. Can see going forward most model training being done in winter, making for a proper resource recycling ecosystem.

It's funny, my reaction was the exact opposite. Details like this show that they're fundamentally unserious and focused on the wrong things. Imagine if Germany, when developing their automotive industry, spent all their time focusing on reusing the waste heat from production to heat homes instead of just building great cars. They probably would not have sold many cars!

you realize chinese models are beating american models because they have limits to their compute.

structural limits improve inovation, not the opposite.

Post reply on HN