Yes, please - delete my health data. I want my health data - I didn't want Samsung or anyone else to have it unless I provide it. And even then, you can't keep it - you can look at it. It's mine.
Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
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Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
#22This is like Google Ultra for personal accounts. I signed up to see what it was like and then assumed I would be able to disable training on my data as a paid customer. The only way to disable training on paid personal accounts is to disable history (no chat logs) which makes the service much less useful for me.
For Google Workspace accounts that use the Ultra plan you can disable training while retaining history. I didn't bother signing up again. It is user-hostile.
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#23> The company plans to grab four categories: your sleep, your medications, your medical records, and your cycle tracking details So you buy a device but you can't effectively use half of its features because you'd also have to agree to send them your medical records? Ok then if I refuse, will they refund 50% of the device price since now it's not usable any more?
If your in EU, you contact the local EU consumer group where you buy the device.
https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/who-we-are/about-us/e...
And file a complaint... As that breaches a dozen or more EU laws. If a lot of people do it in all the countries, it becomes a national issue.
That is the only way you fix things, and yes, we have had multiple successes with companies taking the piss. Even Samsung can not escape as their have officies in the EU and sell products there.
For the folks outside the EU, ... Its a harder fight and you need to look up your local agencies.
Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
#24What's with the tracked sharing link?
Tracking-free link: https://www.neowin.net/news/samsung-will-delete-your-health-...
Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
#25shouldn't this get them turbo obliterated in europe?
no, in fact gdpr requires that they get consent before they process the data. They are not preventing people from accessing the data, only indefinite storage as i understand. They may claim that storage is needed for the processing (which might make sense, they want to train on the whole time series).
Yes but that consent must be given freely. There can't be undue pressure. Unfortunately this part is not well defined but it looks like the AI training part is not required to deliver the service to the specific user so I do think that if challenged it will be ruled afoul of GDPR.
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#26They are dumber than a second coat of paint.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
no, in fact gdpr requires that they get consent before they process the data. They are not preventing people from accessing the data, only indefinite storage as i understand. They may claim that storage is needed for the processing (which might make sense, they want to train on the whole time series).
Yes but that consent must be given freely. There can't be undue pressure. Unfortunately this part is not well defined but it looks like the AI training part is not required to deliver the service to the specific user so I do think that if challenged it will be ruled afoul of GDPR.
I think Facebook lost a similar lawsuit recently where you had to accept that they can use your data or pay to access the site. And it was found illegal in the EU.
The problem is that it takes years and users don't wait for years. There should be a way to harm these companies more on the EU level.
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#28They are dumber than a second coat of paint.
is this a common expression? i'm genuinely confused/curious. i am confurious.
Re: Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training
#29This is like Google Ultra for personal accounts. I signed up to see what it was like and then assumed I would be able to disable training on my data as a paid customer. The only way to disable training on paid personal accounts is to disable history (no chat logs) which makes the service much less useful for me. For Google Workspace accounts that use the Ultra plan you can disable training while retaining history. I…
Yes, you will have to pay lot of money and you will have to surrender data too.
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#30Samsung should be fined out of existence for this.
Well there is no incentive for government to keep citizen data private.