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Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by DangitBobby »

dpc10 wrote: post #15

For whatever reason I've preferred, at least so far, Fable to 5.6. I've spent the time since Fable's return being very cautious about when and how I use it, whereas with 5.6 (especially given OpenAI's generous limit resets) I'm pretty liberal about using it for lots of things that in the long run I could do with a less capable model. Psychologically, I think that approach has made me value the delicate, ephemeral cre…

The second a product appears too scarce or expensive for sustained use, I steer away from it. I don't need to become attached to things I can't rely on. Fable gobbles up tokens at a completely unreasonable rate anyway so it's basically useless. The other day it chewed through my 5 hour session window for all models in about an hour. Leaves a pretty sour taste in your mouth.

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by tajd »

throwa356262 wrote: post #10

Question to HN: How many of you actually need the SOTA level intelligence of Sol and Fable? What kind of tasks do you use it for, and what did you do 6 months ago when SOTA models were as intelligent as today's B team? The other day I tried a 31B model from a Canadian company and felt this is good enough for 80-90% of my tasks. (For the cuorious: North Mini Code. Free on OpenCode/Zen right now. No affiliation :) )

Personally I apply it every so often to audit codebases but it’s mainly sonnet and Gemini for most tasks. That and a harness for an agent to keep iterating on a goal is perfect. I’m more concerned buy getting hooked on the 50% increase on all models, not just Fable.

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by orsorna »

Leynos wrote: post #19
throwa356262 wrote: post #10

Question to HN: How many of you actually need the SOTA level intelligence of Sol and Fable? What kind of tasks do you use it for, and what did you do 6 months ago when SOTA models were as intelligent as today's B team? The other day I tried a 31B model from a Canadian company and felt this is good enough for 80-90% of my tasks. (For the cuorious: North Mini Code. Free on OpenCode/Zen right now. No affiliation :) )

The sort of thing Fable and Sol excel at are long horizon tasks. The sort of thing I have been using them for is migrating large numbers of repositories to new tooling simultaneously (adopting new linters, enabling dependabot automerge, rolling out mutation testing). Some of that can be done mechanically or trivially, and Fable knows to write a script or deploy Sonnet for those instances, but other times there are co…

For my needs, Opus does these kind of "long horizon tasks" well enough already, with additional tooling.

As long as you are chunking out the tasks generated from the plan, you can manually (or write an orchestrator to...) give the component tasks to agents that pass along inputs and outputs per the dependency graph derived from the plan.

You can write this plan yourself or review it with the agent. Chunking tasks out of the plan like this has the added benefit of being able to swap for a different model when the time comes (looking forward to Opus-level models I can run on my consumer card...)

Not really convinced using Fable and trusting the harness to orchestrate for you is worth the intelligence upgrade. An understanding of an high level implementation plan of your task is also necessary when working with colleagues who rightfully quiz you. Especially since, at least for my work, there isn't a lot that Opus struggles with.

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by LoganDark »

orsorna wrote: post #23
Leynos wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sort of thing Fable and Sol excel at are long horizon tasks. The sort of thing I have been using them for is migrating large numbers of repositories to new tooling simultaneously (adopting new linters, enabling dependabot automerge, rolling out mutation testing). Some of that can be done mechanically or trivially, and Fable knows to write a script or deploy Sonnet for those instances, but other times there are co…

For my needs, Opus does these kind of "long horizon tasks" well enough already, with additional tooling. As long as you are chunking out the tasks generated from the plan, you can manually (or write an orchestrator to...) give the component tasks to agents that pass along inputs and outputs per the dependency graph derived from the plan. You can write this plan yourself or review it with the agent. Chunking tasks out…

I've been chunking out my plans like this for months, and even maintain a port of Get-Shit-Done https://github.com/LoganDark/get-shit-done to the Jujutsu version control system because that was the best way for me to make the most of Opus.

I don't need that with Fable. I can give Fable a task of any complexity and it will spend over 8 hours in a single turn if it needs to. And then the task will be finished.

For example, Fable is far better at helping me keep that port updated with upstream's agentic pace of development. With Opus I would be spending all day working through each merge step by step. With Fable I can safely nap through it.

I don't know exactly how to communicate that difference other than that Fable just seems to make better decisions more consistently and more reliably to the point where I feel confident trusting it a lot more.

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by SyneRyder »

mil22 wrote: post #4

Finally, I can sleep... I'd been working non-stop all weekend to use Fable before it disappeared tomorrow. Now, please, a reset. ;)

I'm pretty sure you're not the only one. My relief was less about having another week of Fable access, and more "thank goodness I might get a normal night of sleep tonight".

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by QuantumGood »

throwa356262 wrote: post #10

Question to HN: How many of you actually need the SOTA level intelligence of Sol and Fable? What kind of tasks do you use it for, and what did you do 6 months ago when SOTA models were as intelligent as today's B team? The other day I tried a 31B model from a Canadian company and felt this is good enough for 80-90% of my tasks. (For the cuorious: North Mini Code. Free on OpenCode/Zen right now. No affiliation :) )

Fable is the first one I found could bring brainstorming concepts closer to what I was striving for instead of adding in clutter and defocusing.

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by AM1010101 »

PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

I have claude, codex, cursor and kiro, all most basic teir and swap around. I like anthropic the best. I would have upgraded to Claude Max 20x by now (and dropped the others) if you would just incldue an amount of fable in the subscription. I would have done it on the first of this month if I'd know fable would be included until the 19th. However I'm not sure I want to at all as I feel you will just rug pull me or string me along in another way and constantly be threatening to change things. I have other stuff to think about, the last thing I want is my tool provider constantly changing their mind on things, making me waste mental energy on -p or fable access.

I don't really want to but it would be so much easier to just go with codex right now...

Re: Fable extended until 19 July

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Post by freedomben »

throwa356262 wrote: post #10

Question to HN: How many of you actually need the SOTA level intelligence of Sol and Fable? What kind of tasks do you use it for, and what did you do 6 months ago when SOTA models were as intelligent as today's B team? The other day I tried a 31B model from a Canadian company and felt this is good enough for 80-90% of my tasks. (For the cuorious: North Mini Code. Free on OpenCode/Zen right now. No affiliation :) )

> What kind of tasks do you use it for

There are some bugs that just seem to elude Opus and GPT 5.5. An example is an Elixir/LiveView app that I wrote for personal use that basically gives me a full tmux in my browser from the system it's running on (very useful for VMs or when on-the-go on mobile and need to run a quick command or two). On mobile the scrolling is complex and janky and even Fable struggled to figure it out, even with me spoon feeding direction.

> what did you do 6 months ago when SOTA models were as intelligent as today's B team?

The bugs didn't get fixed. I tried, oh did I try. New bugs (worse than the one fix) introduced, other things breaking, etc. I just lived with the bugs or fixed them myself.

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