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Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by ear7h »

Some commenters here talking about anxiety, but I think the bigger cause, which many people don't know, is that THC significantly increases your heart rate despite it's usual characterization as a depressant. If I recall correctly (big "if" considering the circumstances hah) my heart rate after smoking would go up by 10-20 BPM (from 65-70 to 80-90) while still feeling relaxed; ~~finding some numbers on this from a reputable source is difficult right now and this symptom is suspiciously missing from the wikipedia page~~.

Edit:

Realized this comment sounds like fear mongering, so decided to dig up some actual sources. The wiki page I needed to find was:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis

Also, the CDC page mentions it:

https://www.cdc.gov/cannabis/health-effects/heart-health.htm...

And links to this paper (though I can't read past the abstract bc no institutional access):

https://doi.org/10.1002/j.1552-4604.2002.tb06005.x

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by mil22 »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #12

Literally no mention of ROA. It matters whether they smoke plant matter, vape, use it orally, etc. This, combined with their inability to account for a number of other factors such as tobacco use, makes this study literally useless. Earned a flag from me.

Agree on ROA, but the retrospective cohort study (one of two discussed in this article) did account for many other factors including tobacco use.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by steveBK123 »

dofm wrote: post #18
yieldcrv wrote: post #6

I’m annoyed by the bifurcated regulatory regime Substances approved by the FDA are done based on specific treatments, with multiple trials and approval per use case Substances declared scheduled are illegal by the substance itself, instead of per use case paradoxically because there is no FDA approved use case and almost no way to get one meaning that places in the US that diverge in legality and are ignored by the f…

The US government is now in thrall to the Kratom industry though isn't it? No reason to expect any logical consistency from them. (Literally the person currently responsible for the branch of government that keeps illegal drugs out of the country is an investor in a Kratom company)

Yes we are living in a kleptocracy / kakistocracy hybrid

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by ck2 »

people just want their recreational drugs

it's as stupid as smoking/vaping and not even black box warnings will get people to stop

now if you need pain management I can respect that 100%

but you need to investigate Palmitoylethanolamide and Geraniol as alternatives

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48700498

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Post by slipperybeluga »

yieldcrv wrote: post #6

I’m annoyed by the bifurcated regulatory regime Substances approved by the FDA are done based on specific treatments, with multiple trials and approval per use case Substances declared scheduled are illegal by the substance itself, instead of per use case paradoxically because there is no FDA approved use case and almost no way to get one meaning that places in the US that diverge in legality and are ignored by the f…

The most ridiculous thing about cannabis remaining schedule 1 (high risk of abuse, no known medical use) so long is that there is both prescription THC and CBD. It should have been changed|to a higher (less strict) schedule decades ago with the release of marinol in 1985. Then we could have had a lot more studies being done. Needless to say, not easy to do studies on schedule 1 drugs.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by joemazerino »

sandcat_ wrote: post #8

Not really related, but the other thing I found out recently that cannabis can cause is the worst panic attack I have ever experienced: a DPDR (derealization / depersonalization) panic attack. I’ve had regular panic attacks before. I get one a year, roughly, where I get essentially heart attack symptoms. But this was something else. It felt like something was truly, irrevocably broken with my mind and I couldn’t even…

Can relate to this experience. How old were you?

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by teekert »

I wonder about all the confounding effects. In my country (famous for cannabis to be easy to come by (for decades already), and I saw many smoke from age 16 up as I grew up in 90's, 00's). I have always felt that the heavy cannabis smokers had something to compensate; stress, unrest, impending depression, friction with parents. It was never the healthy sporty types with fulfilling relationships, good grades or a nice career that smoke cannabis heavily (like daily). Sure, some of those smoked, but more occasionally.

Re: Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by reeredfdfdf »

sandcat_ wrote: post #8

Not really related, but the other thing I found out recently that cannabis can cause is the worst panic attack I have ever experienced: a DPDR (derealization / depersonalization) panic attack. I’ve had regular panic attacks before. I get one a year, roughly, where I get essentially heart attack symptoms. But this was something else. It felt like something was truly, irrevocably broken with my mind and I couldn’t even…

I had a similar experience when I was young. Bought a vape and some Cannabis, which probably had really high THC concentration as it tends to have nowadays. Took a bit, didn't feel anything, then took a bit more, and boom, a panic attack. Might even had some hallucinations, I'm not fully sure what was real and what wasn't.

After the experience I felt kind of weird and "slow" for several days. Later I found out that there is also a genetic risk of schizophrenia in my family. No way I'm going to touch anything with THC ever again. I've tried CBD oil though and that was okay, slightly calming effect. But ultimately I prefer beer over that too.

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Post by AppAttestationz »

dvduval wrote: post #11

For me, cannabis causes anxiety, and it’s pretty well established that anybody with anxiety or bipolar or schizophrenia should not be using cannabis because it can make these much worse. I don’t suffer anxiety anymore, but there’s plenty of scientific evidence about the relationship between anxiety and cannabis use.

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