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Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by krapp »

matchbok3 wrote: post #17
krapp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Darializa Avila Chevalier wasn't running in 2024, Kamala Harris was, and she was trying as hard as possible to appeal to the right to the point of alienating her base entirely. I don't think "crazy rhetoric" is the reason Trump won so much as the fact that a significant number of Americans simply cannot take a woman, much less a black woman, seriously in a position of power. Because I'll point it out again, and doubt…

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>At some point you DSA types need to give up on the identity politics nonsense. And you contradict yourself. Was it because she was too right or because she wasn't a white man? Is it both? Then perhaps you all need to understand how to win elections and stop whining. Winning means convincing others to vote for your side. 51 > 49, did you know? Literally 0 political movements win by shaming the electorate, believe it or not. Do better.

You're gloating like the Democrats didn't win the popular vote entirely in 2016, didn't win the actual vote in 2020, and the margins weren't razor thin in 2024. Like 51 to 49 is a blowout. Get your head checked, buddy.

And no electorate has been shamed harder that Trump voters at this point.

Really, it's like talking to a Markov chain with you people sometimes.

You need to look up the definition of the word "contradiction." Kamala being too far right and being too black and female isn't a contradiction. And I assume your suggestion for winning elections is, unsurprisingly, be white, be a man and be a right-winger. I'll put that suggestion in the big pile of suggestions that the left only needs to abandon its principles entirely to get anywhere, which you and others like you have so helpfully offered.

>If you think Biden was tough on the border in the first 3 years, I have a bridge to sell you. It was abundantly clear to anyone that they were paralyzed by the far-left faction who wanted them to do nothing.

Again, you're just spouting right-wing propaganda here. It's wild that I'm in this thread with someone named "enragebait" and you're the one showing their ass.

> I can't explain more complicated topics to you.

And there's the personal attack, right on schedule.

>Again, there are many people (myself included) who reject this socialism nonsense.

Given your espoused opinions, you were never going to vote for a Democrat to begin with, so yours is not a vote that was cost. So your opinion isn't really relevant, and can be written off without consideration.

I'm done. Good night.

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by krapp »

andsoitis wrote: post #20
krapp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Darializa Avila Chevalier wasn't running in 2024, Kamala Harris was, and she was trying as hard as possible to appeal to the right to the point of alienating her base entirely. I don't think "crazy rhetoric" is the reason Trump won so much as the fact that a significant number of Americans simply cannot take a woman, much less a black woman, seriously in a position of power. Because I'll point it out again, and doubt…

> she was trying as hard as possible to appeal to the right What’s a good example?

Supporting Israel and heckling Palestinian protestors, courting the Cheneys and promising to include conservatives in her cabinet, bragging about her guns, etc.

Here's an article: https://atmos.earth/political-landscapes/did-kamala-harris-d...

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by krapp »

andsoitis wrote: post #19
krapp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Even then, 60% of dems think the party is already too far left. So I'm not sure exactly why you are rooting for some socialist party. Nobody wants it. If people wanted it, the party would exist. The party does exist. We're in a thread discussing said party. And I guess you didn't read the part of my comment where I pointed out that the reason that party exists is that people do want the Democrats to move further lef…

> people do want the Democrats to move further left than they're willing to. On which issues would you say the majority of democratic voters want the party to move further left?

healthcare, policing, student loans, housing, the military. Name a leftist position and I think you'll find a lot of dissatisfaction with the party's position on it.

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by krapp »

andsoitis wrote: post #18
krapp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the thesis is that the mainstream left (which would be the Democratic Party) is already just as extremist as MAGA (which has become the mainstream right.) When people resort to calling Joe Biden a communist, or even Barack Obama, because there's no one in power on the mainstream left to whom the label "far left" could reasonably apply, it's an obvious false equivalence. The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and d…

> The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and doing Nazi things Are you arguing that the GOP and the replican voters are nazis?

What else would you call people who believe in Nazi conspiracy theories, court Nazi influencers, display Nazi symbols, parrot Nazi propaganda and spread Nazi memes?

At some point you have to face facts about the nature of MAGA and what American conservatism is actually turning into.

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by fragmede »

krapp wrote: post #24
andsoitis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and doing Nazi things Are you arguing that the GOP and the replican voters are nazis?

What else would you call people who believe in Nazi conspiracy theories, court Nazi influencers, display Nazi symbols, parrot Nazi propaganda and spread Nazi memes? At some point you have to face facts about the nature of MAGA and what American conservatism is actually turning into.

The problem is that people tune out when you call them Nazis. If you want them to vote a different way, you've got to engay with them and have a talk with them. Yelling Nazi online and mic dropping isn't going to get kids out of ICE concentration camps. Neither is this comment, unfortunately.

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by matchbok3 »

krapp wrote: post #21
matchbok3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>At some point you DSA types need to give up on the identity politics nonsense. And you contradict yourself. Was it because she was too right or because she wasn't a white man? Is it both? Then perhaps you all need to understand how to win elections and stop whining. Winning means convincing others to vote for your side. 51 > 49, did you know? Literally 0 political movements win by shaming the electorate, believe it…

The lack of a coherent border policy from 2020-2023 is.... right-wing propaganda?

Were you alive during that time? I honestly can't tell if you are trolling or just dumb. The border was complete chaos and cost the dems the election. You cannot possibly be this ignorant.

You continue to throw people out of your tent and then try to shame them. You clearly do it for some virtue signaling reason, because it certainly hasn't helped your side win.

You seem to take it as a good thing that you keep losing to Trump by only a little. If your side can't beat Donald Trump I just have no idea what to tell you. Please go touch grass and talk to the medium American voter. Then you'll realize how out-of-touch you really are.

On the race thing... you do the DSA thing, yet again. There are many many non-white, female leaders in politics. Blaming the loss on that is silly and reductive. Do better. It's also insulting to those already in power.

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by matchbok3 »

krapp wrote: post #23
andsoitis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people do want the Democrats to move further left than they're willing to. On which issues would you say the majority of democratic voters want the party to move further left?

healthcare, policing, student loans, housing, the military. Name a leftist position and I think you'll find a lot of dissatisfaction with the party's position on it.

You are just literally wrong. Your side keeps yapping that line, but it's just entirely false outside of Bluesky and the Groups.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/07/01/polls/times-s...

> Do you think the Democratic Party is … > Too far to the left: 53%

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by matchbok3 »

krapp wrote: post #21
matchbok3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>At some point you DSA types need to give up on the identity politics nonsense. And you contradict yourself. Was it because she was too right or because she wasn't a white man? Is it both? Then perhaps you all need to understand how to win elections and stop whining. Winning means convincing others to vote for your side. 51 > 49, did you know? Literally 0 political movements win by shaming the electorate, believe it…

Also, you have no idea how I've voted. The fact that you make such assumptions is all the evidence that shows your arguments are about as strong as a wet cardboard box. What a way to convince people to join your party!

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by defrost »

andsoitis wrote: post #18
krapp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the thesis is that the mainstream left (which would be the Democratic Party) is already just as extremist as MAGA (which has become the mainstream right.) When people resort to calling Joe Biden a communist, or even Barack Obama, because there's no one in power on the mainstream left to whom the label "far left" could reasonably apply, it's an obvious false equivalence. The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and d…

> The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and doing Nazi things Are you arguing that the GOP and the replican voters are nazis?

I suspect the position is that the GOP and Republicans of the past half century no longer hold power, and that many of the players and supporters of the current US administration are effectively Nazi equivalent.

The unarguably actual White Nationalists turning out in Washington for the 250th celebration of "the first White POTUS" certainly agree.

* https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2026/7/5/aje-onl-nf...

* https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/the-fir...

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by andsoitis »

krapp wrote: post #24
andsoitis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and doing Nazi things Are you arguing that the GOP and the replican voters are nazis?

What else would you call people who believe in Nazi conspiracy theories, court Nazi influencers, display Nazi symbols, parrot Nazi propaganda and spread Nazi memes? At some point you have to face facts about the nature of MAGA and what American conservatism is actually turning into.

> who believe in Nazi conspiracy theories, court Nazi influencers, display Nazi symbols, parrot Nazi propaganda and spread Nazi memes

Name three people who fit this profile that you would call a Nazi and are in a position of political or economic power in America.

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