Live data from Hacker News

It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

publicznyprofil.github.io

21–30 of 143 posts

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#21
I like that this goofy fear-based boosterism is on the front page at the same time as an actually well reasoned and well written article about how fear-based boosterism has actually harmed the AI industry instead of making everyone panic-buy like they intended.

I assume that’s entirely due to not being able to downvote submissions on HN.

As for the article, as another user put it:

> Call me when it stops making things up.

We haven’t moved past this yet

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#22

You should add a parallel timeline of how many times AI CEOs have claimed their next model is too dangerous to release, AGI is months away, or some white collar job will be obsolete within 6 months. I don’t know anyone in the tech industry who thinks AGI will never happen or that software engineering and white collar jobs can’t be automated. We all read sci fi, you’re not some unique visionary for anticipating AI. Th…

> I don’t know anyone in the tech industry who thinks AGI will never happen or that software engineering and white collar jobs can’t be automated.

Chiming in to say that I believe:

1. AGI will never happen

2. Software engineering cannot be automated

To be honest I seriously doubt the reasoning capacity of anyone who believes in such a bold-faced lie as "AGI".

Typically these people seem to be working out a fantasy of enslaving tech workers.

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we're not putting enough emphasis on the importance of human intelligence. Technology is supposed to serve us, we're not supposed to serve technology.

I agree. I don't think they're mutually exclusive. You can have something smarter than you which you use as a tool. My point was that there's nothing objectively special about our level of intelligence, so it shouldn't be used as a benchmark.

> You can have something smarter than you which you use as a tool.

That sounds like how tech CEO's treat their employees!

Kidding aside, I think the notion that you could control something (legitimately) smarter than you is a pretty risky proposition. (Fortunately one that I think is actually far off)

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#24
The one-shot game is definitely the hardest one here by a long shot, no idea why this is considered easier than having a model on pager duty. Aside from needing to generate coherent assets and having a meaningful creative vision, a good game is hard to make because it requires a lot of taste, not being good at programming (see the many indie hits from people who learned to program just to make their game, and were wildly successful with atrocious code).

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#25

> Call me when it stops making things up. We haven’t moved past this yet

I’m unaware of any humans that don’t have this error method also.

This argument style is always humorous. The intention is something like “so humans are as bad as AI” when the original question boils down to something like “why would I replace humans with AI?”.

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#26
post #3

I think this is true of "AGI" too. AI is already better than us at a bunch of things, and worse at a few. The list of things it's better than us at increases every month. In 5 years, people will still be saying "Well, I can still ride a unicycle blindfolded better than a robot so it's not AGI." AGI is such a meaningless term and puts too much importance on human-level intelligence.

It’s not meaningless because AGI = genuinely being able to replace humans in almost any job. Sure, AI is getting better at stuff that humans direct it to do, but the fact that a human is required in the loop is super meaningful.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it will always be used as a tool however smart it gets.

In software, it hasn't replaced all the software engineers (even though it's better and faster than us), it's just meant that we now have more leverage.

We can write more code and work on more projects than ever. I don't see why we would suddenly stop using it like that?

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m unaware of any humans that don’t have this error method also.

This argument style is always humorous. The intention is something like “so humans are as bad as AI” when the original question boils down to something like “why would I replace humans with AI?”.

The entire purpose of automation is to remove a capacity limited human from a continuous workflow because the workflow is more capably achieved with fewer errors than the human

See: traffic lights

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#28

You should add a parallel timeline of how many times AI CEOs have claimed their next model is too dangerous to release, AGI is months away, or some white collar job will be obsolete within 6 months. I don’t know anyone in the tech industry who thinks AGI will never happen or that software engineering and white collar jobs can’t be automated. We all read sci fi, you’re not some unique visionary for anticipating AI. Th…

Understandably, the frustration is also around "what happens then?" Everyone is wondering about what happens if (when?) it finally comes true We really have to figure out what comes next for your average person. I think the reason no one wants to talk about this is because the answers aren't great. The average person not going to be living a great life in all likelihood, once we have no access to capital anymore

Yup, that's the weird thing about the booster argument. "We finally achieved it, we're no longer important or the dominant species and Sam Altman and Dario Amodei run what's left of the world from their bunker!" Yay?

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#29

IDK why you needed AI to write the little blurbs, it's not really a lot of text. Like if you feel it's not important enough to write yourself, just don't put anything there?

A lot of people who believed the hype are now actually dependent on LLMs for day-to-day tasks.

They have genuinely been conditioned out of being able to write a sentence without the help of their thinking machines.

Re: It Still Can't Do My Job: Four Years of Moving Goalposts (2022–2026)

#30
post #10

You should add a parallel timeline of how many times AI CEOs have claimed their next model is too dangerous to release, AGI is months away, or some white collar job will be obsolete within 6 months. I don’t know anyone in the tech industry who thinks AGI will never happen or that software engineering and white collar jobs can’t be automated. We all read sci fi, you’re not some unique visionary for anticipating AI. Th…

Literally every CEO AI or otherwise claims bullshit about their product. It's their job. It's got nothing to do with people actually using something and not coming to terms with it having any value. If you've never seen a screwdriver it's a waste of time compared to nails.

“Everyone else is doing it” is a childish justification and there’s a line where this becomes fraud and a felony offense. Do you think Elizabeth Holmes should have been allowed to make up claims about their blood testing technology? Is it OK to grossly overestimate Claude’s capabilities when the US military starts using it to determine strike targets?
Post reply on HN