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Morbid: Debunking Modern Longevity Science

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Re: Morbid: Debunking Modern Longevity Science

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I'm sure that's the case that there's a lot of poor record keeping, but just as an anecdote here, a family member who lived mostly independently and lucidly until the age of 102 was a regular wine drinker. When we celebrated his birthday it was with shots and multiple glasses. And there was definitely no error. His elderly children can attest to that, and he was born in a modern area with good record keeping. He was…

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Re: Morbid: Debunking Modern Longevity Science

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I think the wikipedia page on Jeanne Calment actually does a good job of debunking "revisionist" doubting of the record. After consulting several experts, The Washington Post wrote that "statistically improbable is not the same thing as statistically impossible", that Novoselov and Zak's claims have been dismissed by the overwhelming majority of experts, and that those claims are "lacking, if not outright deficient".…

That's a very weird way to spin it. The Wikipedia article misrepresents the situation (e.g. reporting that she "had correctly answered questions about things that her daughter could not have known first-hand" (which is irrelevant) and omitting the fact that some of the stories she told were true of the daughter but not of her, such as being walked to school by the maid). She was almost certainly a fraud, but the Wiki…

Citations? Wikipedia is full of them

Re: Morbid: Debunking Modern Longevity Science

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I'm sure that's the case that there's a lot of poor record keeping, but just as an anecdote here, a family member who lived mostly independently and lucidly until the age of 102 was a regular wine drinker. When we celebrated his birthday it was with shots and multiple glasses. And there was definitely no error. His elderly children can attest to that, and he was born in a modern area with good record keeping. He was…

If you exercise your resting heart rate will be lower, so athletic people have fewer total heart beats. However I'm not sure number of heart beats is a relevant metric to cardiovascular wear and tear.

yeah, as the other comment noted, I wondered if it was related to that "meme" of total heartbeats. regular exercise reducing total resting heartrate, but excessive exercise overwhelming that gain with excessive stresses and high rates. dunno. just random speculation, I have no expertise in this...

Re: Morbid: Debunking Modern Longevity Science

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The same thing has happened to this thing as happened to UFOs, cryptids, and religious miracles. The arrival of documentary techniques of the things led to a massive decline. People often bemoan the effect of the smartphone on attention. But have they considered the deleterious effect of 5G on magic?

That was true up until generative AI. Now, we have a new problem of high-definition fakes being easy to produce.

Re: Morbid: Debunking Modern Longevity Science

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Blue zones are bullshit. Pension fraud in Italy, records destroyed in Okinawa, basically every place with abnormal longevity has some other explanation. https://allthatsinteresting.com/blue-zones-supercentenarians

That was 2024 hot take read the rebuttal 2025 https://academic.oup.com/gerontologist/article/65/12/gnaf246...

Re: Morbid: Debunking Modern Longevity Science

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very weird way to spin it. The Wikipedia article misrepresents the situation (e.g. reporting that she "had correctly answered questions about things that her daughter could not have known first-hand" (which is irrelevant) and omitting the fact that some of the stories she told were true of the daughter but not of her, such as being walked to school by the maid). She was almost certainly a fraud, but the Wiki…

Citations? Wikipedia is full of them

Yeah, they're what I was using.

If you want to believe she was who she said she was and lived to be 122, there's evidence in there to support it--providing you're willing to ignore all the evidence pointing to identity theft and pension fraud. My objection to the Wikipedia article is the way the a priori most likely interpretation (identity theft and pension fraud are currently many orders of magnitude more common than living past 120) is treated as a debunked conspiracy theory and the improbable/sensational interpretation is treated as established fact.

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