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Scammers Sell Seeds for Exotic AI-Generated Flowers That Don't Exist

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Re: Scammers Sell Seeds for Exotic AI-Generated Flowers That Don't Exist

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We talk too much about hallucination and too little about the more mundane elephant in the room that AI, whatever its effectiveness, will simply be used more for scam and deception than positive uses.

Just make scams illegal — problem solved.

Re: Scammers Sell Seeds for Exotic AI-Generated Flowers That Don't Exist

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think a few scams here and there outweight positive usecases

We're about to see our political campaigns flooded with fake videos, slander, fabrications, and misinformation. Used to be you could be relatively certain if something was a video it was too much effort to be photoshopped. Not true any more.

The same was true for photographs yet we survived following the invention of photoshop. The truth is that you don't even need video or photos to trick stupid people. Text alone allows for political campaigns flooded with slander, fabrications, and misinformation and some percentage of the population will fall for it. I'd say the best thing we can do is better educate the public to think critically and become media savvy, but instead we'll be forcing our children to read bible verses in school so I don't see the situation improving any time soon.

Re: Scammers Sell Seeds for Exotic AI-Generated Flowers That Don't Exist

#25
I have been lied to multiple times, sellers claiming to sell me seeds for the relatively rare pink flowered version of "Pride of Barbados", most off Ebay, from foreign countries.

All of them germinated and grew to the common orange-yellow version.

I gave up trying.

Re: Scammers Sell Seeds for Exotic AI-Generated Flowers That Don't Exist

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post #6

When I work as a freelancer, I get a lot of requests lately to create fake AI manipulated images for scams. Especially requests to generate fake IDs using AI. Personally, I feel that there is a need for AI watermarks on image generation models, but at the same time, if watermarks become mandatory, it would effectively kill the business viability of those models. It feels like the same problem as guns and gun control.

AFAIK the big models have watermarks that are supposed to be hard to remove. But I don’t think it’s possible on local models: not just questionable because it would prevent full open-source, but if someone discovers a way to easily remove a local model’s watermark, it will work permanently.

It’s a bit analogous to New York and California regulating 3D printers (which I disapprove). But more invasive, because local models are software, and here the danger is not guns but photos.

Re: Scammers Sell Seeds for Exotic AI-Generated Flowers That Don't Exist

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post #3

We talk too much about hallucination and too little about the more mundane elephant in the room that AI, whatever its effectiveness, will simply be used more for scam and deception than positive uses.

I find it fascinating that this is a popular anti-bitcoin argument, but (often) the same people making that argument actually find AI useful. So they experience a mild case of cognitive dissonance.

The Bitcoin argument is usually paired with "there are no non-scam use cases which aren't better served by other methods/tech."

Re: Scammers Sell Seeds for Exotic AI-Generated Flowers That Don't Exist

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post #6

When I work as a freelancer, I get a lot of requests lately to create fake AI manipulated images for scams. Especially requests to generate fake IDs using AI. Personally, I feel that there is a need for AI watermarks on image generation models, but at the same time, if watermarks become mandatory, it would effectively kill the business viability of those models. It feels like the same problem as guns and gun control.

may I ask the reason your clients don't just generate these things themselves?

Re: Scammers Sell Seeds for Exotic AI-Generated Flowers That Don't Exist

#30
post #6

When I work as a freelancer, I get a lot of requests lately to create fake AI manipulated images for scams. Especially requests to generate fake IDs using AI. Personally, I feel that there is a need for AI watermarks on image generation models, but at the same time, if watermarks become mandatory, it would effectively kill the business viability of those models. It feels like the same problem as guns and gun control.

may I ask the reason your clients don't just generate these things themselves?

Usually, this kind of work is difficult with large models. They either get rejected by policy or don't produce stable results. So you have to use local models, but local models have inconsistent quality and the setup is complicated.

That's why clients usually hear about keywords like LoRA somewhere and say, 'I heard you can generate it with this method.' But in reality, they don't know how to install a local model, serve it, run it, or stabilize the results. And that's where freelancers like me come in.

As a freelancer, it's hard to completely ignore this trend. Because freelancers like me aren't inside a company, we're usually a step behind on the latest news. So we end up searching through the information and keywords that clients share with us, organizing it, and following industry trends that we pick up when we visit companies for consulting.

In any case, most clients aren't completely clueless—they usually provide keywords like 'I heard you can do it this way' and make their reques

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