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Who are the fire-tamers?

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Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

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Never forget: For all the little bit of positive results for a placebo there are also negative effects due to noceboeffect. Also it's very common in esoterica that if it works it was the healer if it didn't it was something you did wrong.

That nocebo effect is dangerous!

People in traditional cultures are inclined to believe that there is an evil influence involved whenever anything goes wrong. If you're in a culture like that and people believe you can throw curses, you can get material benefit through the threat of throwing curses or make a living throwing curses.

When people were [1] prosecuted for "practicing witchcraft" courts record testimony that promises were made, payments were made, all of that.

Effective curses are not an application of psi (you zapped someone with telepathy) or an evocation of evil spirits, but are loud, noisy, public and supported by the whole social environment, see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_death

I can't say that any magic-user today should practice that sort of stuff, there is the "it gets returned you (3|10) times" bit and that you don't have the social support that the African "witch doctor", Chinese fox medium, Navajo skin-walker, or Italian Nonna who casts the "evil eye". But if you're looking for a social-scientific explanation of how magic works it is a dramatic example.

[1] and still are in some places

Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

#22

Never forget: For all the little bit of positive results for a placebo there are also negative effects due to noceboeffect. Also it's very common in esoterica that if it works it was the healer if it didn't it was something you did wrong.

That nocebo effect is dangerous! People in traditional cultures are inclined to believe that there is an evil influence involved whenever anything goes wrong. If you're in a culture like that and people believe you can throw curses , you can get material benefit through the threat of throwing curses or make a living throwing curses. When people were [1] prosecuted for "practicing witchcraft" courts record testimony t…

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Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

#24

My dad went to one when his cancer entered the terminal phase, I think he knew it was bullsh*t but it was a more human « treatment » than everything else he went through so he liked it. I still think it was a charlatan preying on him but I guess no more amoral than crystals moms and essential oils MLMs.

I don't get how anybody gets into essential oil MLMs. I have a $20 ultrasonic diffuser and buy $10 bottles of things like Lavender extract from my food co-op which will last me for years. Lately I have been stirring the cauldron and getting to know quite a few witchy women and there are a lot of them who make and sell their own essential oil products that are like the MLM products but don't have the upline and all it…

I wanted to reply to your Baumol stuff proper but it took too long. I havent stuck the marketing copy so it will have for another time. (Quick and dirty slogan: Baumol is when linearizing the real economy of agents either as N 11 or 1N interactions instead of N^2 --- as a high energy physicist would-- goes wrong)

Are those 20ml bottles? Here they can be gotten for cents. Essential oils are a big part of the Indian take on the Shenzhen mom-and-pop microfactories that directly preceded DJI. (& gave us those standard ultrasonic diffusers! ~2USD btw & we love the trade deficit)

I imagine the 5-person Indian oils businesses will be a skeleton for a nonChinese solar(-chem-)punk future..

Concentrated enough to be useful, impure enough to force robustness into the process design from the getgo.. but! far from the Baumol regime, if we don't have these MLMs..

(I meant, that it isn't worthwhile to train a new generation of Jony Ives on bottles or diffusers, but I will be happy to be wrong. Scentology remains a black magic)

Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "noceboeffect"?

In drug trials if a person knows about the side effects of a drug (e.g. nausea, headaches) they may get them even if they were in the control group. I'm not sure how it applies here though because alternative therapies rarely state expected negative effects.

If you believe in alternative/ esoterica the chance that you get sick from things just because is higher

Like 5g or Electromagnetic waves

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