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Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

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Re: Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

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The stock market rewarded SpaceX with a record breaking IPO valuation for promises that it would too offer a thing that could be reverse engineered with just 25k accounts. Possibly in space. The stock market doesn’t care.

SpaceX’s value proposition is far more than AI.

Far more ludicrous, that is.

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

#22

> Anthropic wants firms like Alibaba punished Do they care what we want? Im happy that China is copying the models and make them available for everyone, with 1/10 of it's price.

+1.

Ex-product manager in the SF Bay. Retooling as a product engineer/ product builder because I can build and tinker confidently with LLM assistance, and I want to reduce my dependencies.

So I’m:

* prioritizing local Qwen codegen so I can cancel my OpenAI subscription. * watching CS lectures and learning the fundamentals from the ground up.

Maybe it’s the long-term unemployment talking, but I think the open-model strategy is winning and will continue to win. The recent stories about AI budgets are just the beginning. Wait until executives realize that the advertised “$X.XX per million tokens” is only part of the bill. Context windows, system prompts, conversation history, RAG, tool calls, and orchestration all add up.

Cost-conscious companies will have a strong incentive to hire engineers who can run, customize, and maintain open models rather than paying indefinitely for closed APIs.

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

#25

> Anthropic wants firms like Alibaba punished Do they care what we want? Im happy that China is copying the models and make them available for everyone, with 1/10 of it's price.

Whatever you thoughts on the ethics of the original training, are you comfortable with innovation drying up? Can’t make new models if revenue isn’t coming in.

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stock market rewarded SpaceX with a record breaking IPO valuation for promises that it would too offer a thing that could be reverse engineered with just 25k accounts. Possibly in space. The stock market doesn’t care.

SpaceX’s value proposition is far more than AI.

They do claim most of their business is AI though with some rockets sprinkled on top

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

#27

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Competition is supposed to be the safety net of capitalism that ensures high quality and low prices. Distillation is not illegal. They're just using the LLM in a lawful way. So yes we all should thank the capitalist Chinese labs for helping the consumer in a win-win fashion. This military strategy talk is not interesting to anyone other than Anthropic AI researchers who decide to work there.

This. I find distillation way more ethical than piracy. The U.S. already jumped the gun by making this stuff not copyrightable. We should of instead held these companies liable. It's not like the research they did in the process was for naught. They (U.S. AI companies) could of sourced legal material without stooping to the same lows that China and other nations are willing to go to. All in the name of a buck. Anyway…

* should "have"

* could "have"

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

#28
It is too late, the Qwen 3.7 Max is above both Gemini 3.1 and Opus 4.8. And Qwen 3.7 Plus is on level with Fable. There is literally no point of paying exorbitant API prices to US Labs.

And remember: it's not only about coding. Those "selected US companies" to gain access to Mythos now are not using it to replace coders. And Qwen is a solid answer. (The next is GLM 5.2, but not there yet - Qwen 3.7 made a significant leap forward.)

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

#29

> Anthropic wants firms like Alibaba punished Do they care what we want? Im happy that China is copying the models and make them available for everyone, with 1/10 of it's price.

Whatever you thoughts on the ethics of the original training, are you comfortable with innovation drying up? Can’t make new models if revenue isn’t coming in.

Why would innovation dry up when there is more competition?

Re: Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I find distillation way more ethical than piracy. The U.S. already jumped the gun by making this stuff not copyrightable. We should of instead held these companies liable. It's not like the research they did in the process was for naught. They (U.S. AI companies) could of sourced legal material without stooping to the same lows that China and other nations are willing to go to. All in the name of a buck. Anyway…

* should "have" * could "have"

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