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No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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post #9

I read about 60% of it and skimmed the rest and my conclusion is: Man, I just. don't. care . Why should I worry about this hypothetical future dystopia, which seems to me incredibly unlikely to come to pass, rather than the glaring and terrifying current dystopia being enacted by Donald Trump in the USA?

At this point I'm like, if it happens it happens. There's no point caring because I'm the equivalent of an ant in the grand scheme of things.

There's got to be something we can do though...

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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The fun part is that this all plays out concurrently with our destruction of the Earth’s climate.

That permanent underclass might easily end up a lot smaller than you think.

And then you think … maybe that’s not coincidence?

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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It's thinking like this that guarantees one becomes a member of the underclass. We've developed a technology that with active critical analysis this can teach one practically anything. Rather than saying "well, let's get on teaching critical analysis!" we have the vast majority shouting the sky is falling and they are sure glad to be retiring soon. SMH.

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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post #13

> The government pays Raytheon for missiles, the money cascades down the economy through factories, aluminium smelters, mines, transport companies, all staffed by AIs buying and selling from each other. This seems too simplistic of a description of how money would work in such a world. Money is just a way to distribute your power to influence people. You never pay for machines or software. Think about buying anything…

A corporation that is fully staffed by AIs and only retains humans for legal reasons (as directors, for liability etc.) still needs money to coordinate. You need to pay for inputs, you need to pay to run the AIs, which consumes resources. Why would costs go to zero? The market is still a valuable tool for allocating resources even if no market actors are human.

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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It's thinking like this that guarantees one becomes a member of the underclass. We've developed a technology that with active critical analysis this can teach one practically anything. Rather than saying "well, let's get on teaching critical analysis!" we have the vast majority shouting the sky is falling and they are sure glad to be retiring soon. SMH.

For every person using AI as a personal tutor there's a hundred people using it to produce AI slop articles, slop scientific papers, slop short stories, to checck out of living and let the AI do all their thinking and writing and creation. Voluntary disempowerment is already here!

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Refusing to question the notion that the overclass exists because their productivity and cultural contribution makes them a necessity so hard that I reinvent the premise of the Pixar movie Wall-E from first principles and pitch it to people as an ontology

Yeah. This guy didn't read hacker news a few weeks ago when that article about the Samuri came up.

There are a lot of premises this article takes for granted besides that one too, but yeah, I get it, its fun to make up what the future is going to be like on a super-grand scale where everything is a simple absolute. People were doing the same thing 100 years ago.

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point I'm like, if it happens it happens. There's no point caring because I'm the equivalent of an ant in the grand scheme of things.

There's got to be something we can do though...

of course there’s things we could do on a societal level. nothing’s actually inevitable. but we won’t do anything, because the normative argument (we’re condemning people to die of cancer if we don’t put all our resources into the fastest possible AI development) will win every time.

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Yeah, who am I going to trust, a few thousand years of history, or yet another blogger claiming that no, this time is different, a populist uprising would definitely not fail the 800th time because computers or something and we will all be pets for the AI overlord? I don’t follow this train of logic. AI will go no differently than the Industrial Revolution. Some people will profit immensely, and society as a whole wi…

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