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A Tesla Crashed Through a Harris County Home. Is the Car to Blame?

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Re: A Tesla Crashed Through a Harris County Home. Is the Car to Blame?

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you don't want your car to refuse to move when you are stuck on a railroad crossing despite the gate in front of the car being down. there must always be a way to override the autopilot.

Moving off a railroad track at what maybe 15mph max is very different than doing 70mph down a cut de sac double the posted speed limit. I am not saying FSD should prevent any forward movement, how fast can it go in reverse? Probably something like that.

yes, but according to the car you'd be crashing right into a barrier no matter the speed. the car needs to ignore that and allow you to break the barrier.

Re: A Tesla Crashed Through a Harris County Home. Is the Car to Blame?

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> They reached a speed of 73 mph during the crash, and had the accelerator pressed even after the crash. There is no actuator that can press the pedal down, so if investigators find that the accelerator was still pushed down after the crash it probably means that this isn't a software problem.

Why does the FSD blindly accept accelerator input in the face of a dead end cul de sac with much lower speed limit? Is this some sort of regulation? I have driven normal cars that cut power and brake if they detect a perceived dangerous situation usually annoyingly and in error. Traction control will also cut power to prevent wheel slip regardless of pedal position.

I say the machine should always be easily overridable, and the human always held responsible for the consequences of their operation of their machine. If you're driving a normal car, and you get in an accident, and the accident is your fault and not the fault of another driver, then it's you that pays the price of that accident one way or another. If the machine has some sort of "brain" like "full self-driving" or "driver assist", then that should be easily and instantly overridable and the human should always stay at least as aware of their surroundings as they would in a standard more traditional non-self-driving car and always be on the ready to take over control of the machine at a moment's notice. Same thing as with old-school "cruise control". You still gotta be ready to speed up or slow down under manual control, and / or disengage cruise mode entirely if necessary. No different for FSD IMHO.

Re: A Tesla Crashed Through a Harris County Home. Is the Car to Blame?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving off a railroad track at what maybe 15mph max is very different than doing 70mph down a cut de sac double the posted speed limit. I am not saying FSD should prevent any forward movement, how fast can it go in reverse? Probably something like that.

yes, but according to the car you'd be crashing right into a barrier no matter the speed. the car needs to ignore that and allow you to break the barrier.

Sorry the difference between 70mph and 15mph is a 20x difference in kinetic energy completely different outcomes.

Re: A Tesla Crashed Through a Harris County Home. Is the Car to Blame?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does the FSD blindly accept accelerator input in the face of a dead end cul de sac with much lower speed limit? Is this some sort of regulation? I have driven normal cars that cut power and brake if they detect a perceived dangerous situation usually annoyingly and in error. Traction control will also cut power to prevent wheel slip regardless of pedal position.

I say the machine should always be easily overridable, and the human always held responsible for the consequences of their operation of their machine. If you're driving a normal car, and you get in an accident, and the accident is your fault and not the fault of another driver, then it's you that pays the price of that accident one way or another. If the machine has some sort of "brain" like "full self-driving" or "d…

The machine is easily overridable by disabling FSD...

Modern cars will auto brake if sensors detect what it thinks is an imminent collision regardless of accelerator position: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_emergency_braking_sy...

Traction control systems will cut power if wheel slip is detected again regardless of accelerator position: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traction_control_system

FSD is obviously very different than normal cruise control and I cannot see an argument why a system that knows its heading down a dead end street at more than double the posted speed limit would allow such and accelerator override and not apply automatic emergency braking, it makes no sense, that serves no purpose while leading to a tragic outcome.

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