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Re: frothkit - Objective-C Web Application Framework

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Post by mikeash » Sun, Dec 02, 2012, 8:47 PM UTC

yoda_sl wrote: post #19

mikeash wrote: post #15

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Wasn't Cocoa available for exactly those four platforms as well?

No Cocoa was not available on those platform. OpenStep was running on NeXT OS, and was available from NeXT on the Windows platform. NeXT and Sun worked on getting OpenStep running on Solaris but Sun did drop the ball and switched direction by going with Java. OpenStep was never available on HP-UX, only WebObjects and PDO were truly cross platform before the switch to Java. PDO=Portable Distributed Objects which was a…

Odd, Apple lists patches for OpenStep on both Solaris and HP-UX: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA45376?viewlocale=en_US

Re: frothkit - Objective-C Web Application Framework

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Post by yoda_sl » Sun, Dec 02, 2012, 9:33 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #21

yoda_sl wrote: post #19

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No Cocoa was not available on those platform. OpenStep was running on NeXT OS, and was available from NeXT on the Windows platform. NeXT and Sun worked on getting OpenStep running on Solaris but Sun did drop the ball and switched direction by going with Java. OpenStep was never available on HP-UX, only WebObjects and PDO were truly cross platform before the switch to Java. PDO=Portable Distributed Objects which was a…

Odd, Apple lists patches for OpenStep on both Solaris and HP-UX: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA45376?viewlocale=en_US

I think the Apple doc is slightly inaccurate: the OpenStep part which include a graphic user interface was not available on HP-UX but the non graphic part: WebObjects, Enterprise Objects Framework, and Portable Distributed Objects was available. Looks like Wikipedia has avoid history of OpenStep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStep

Re: frothkit - Objective-C Web Application Framework

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Post by mikeash » Sun, Dec 02, 2012, 10:09 PM UTC

yoda_sl wrote: post #22

mikeash wrote: post #21

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Odd, Apple lists patches for OpenStep on both Solaris and HP-UX: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA45376?viewlocale=en_US

I think the Apple doc is slightly inaccurate: the OpenStep part which include a graphic user interface was not available on HP-UX but the non graphic part: WebObjects, Enterprise Objects Framework, and Portable Distributed Objects was available. Looks like Wikipedia has avoid history of OpenStep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStep

Searching around, I find quite a lot of pages that mention NeXT's implementation of the OpenStep API for HP-UX, but none that mention that it's only the non-GUI parts. Are you sure?

Re: frothkit - Objective-C Web Application Framework

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Post by marbletiles » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 12:54 PM UTC

yoda_sl wrote: post #10

If I was to develop some web framework in Objective-C I will at least try to mimic the WebObjects framework which has some great concept behind it. The main grief against WebObjects that should be avoided is that the framework layer to access the database aka EOF (Enterprise Objects Framework) was never designed to use a connection pool nor work nicely in a multi-threaded environment. Sadly Apple stopped the developm…

It hasn't kept it for itself, it is still submitting patches and releasing new versions. The toolchain is no longer supported, but Apple also provides patches to the open-source toolchain.

Lots, lots more at http://www.wocommunity.org/page/default but as others have said -- this is essentially a (very nice) Java framework with some Eclipse tool support.

What I really miss is the Objective-C framework, with EOF, and native Mac tools, bindings etc.