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Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by keernan »

lobf wrote: post #15
Aurornis wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. The hyperbole is getting a little out of control. > - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet I don't understand how anyone can think that keeping kids entirely away from internet-connected devices through age 17 is possible or a good idea. These aren't seriou…

Not only that but like, if your child touches the screen in your car have you committed a crime? Using a smart fridge is verboten- speaking to the house's Alexa? Straight to jail.

The concept is straight forward:

1. Eliminate all the false flag attempts by governments and their supporters to use "danger to children" to require government ID for every adult to get online.

2. If the internet is so dangerous as to require ID to get online, then change the law preventing smartphones and other internet mobile devices to be possessed by children. That's easy to do. Put the burden on parents where it belongs to monitor their children in their own homes just as they do as gun owners.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by AngryData »

Aurornis wrote: post #13
keernan wrote: post #11

There is no need for id. IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. Both should be treated the same way. Make it illegal for parents or any adult to: - purchase an internet capable device for anyone under the age of 18 (or whatever age is deemed appropriate to allow unfettered access without any ID) - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to opera…

> IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. The hyperbole is getting a little out of control. > - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet I don't understand how anyone can think that keeping kids entirely away from internet-connected devices through age 17 is possible or a good idea. These aren't seriou…

To be fair with the way politicians are treating the internet and social media, it is the equivalent of giving them a loaded gun. Because otherwise how can they justify these laws? Politicians are the ones claiming kids are being irrevocably harmed by the internet.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by AngryData »

nonethewiser wrote: post #5

Porn companies should be held liable for distributing porn to minors. Its already illegal. Denial about requiring basic KYC is causing all sorts of perverse solutions. Accept the requirement so we can have a sensible technical solution.

Oh no, children seeing naked people and sex! How horrible!

Now lets bring them all to the family friendly farm where they can watch a horse with a monster dong screw his way through a herd of mares.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by invalidSyntax »

lobf wrote: post #15
Aurornis wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. The hyperbole is getting a little out of control. > - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet I don't understand how anyone can think that keeping kids entirely away from internet-connected devices through age 17 is possible or a good idea. These aren't seriou…

Not only that but like, if your child touches the screen in your car have you committed a crime? Using a smart fridge is verboten- speaking to the house's Alexa? Straight to jail.

If one existed, it will probably be like: children under 18 using the internet without parent permission, but then that doesn't do much. They are not guns which you might not ever use. Many people use it daily.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Bender »

edoceo wrote: post #24

There has got to be a way to assert that a user is human, and over some age, without having to identify which specific human that is.

Confirmation someone is human is harder. Over some age could be accomplished with time should most of the devices and browsers children have access to were to check for RTA/adult headers and activate parental controls. It would not be solved over night thus not perfect but perfect is the enemy of good.

At the moment what we have is no good in my opinion. What we have at the moment will put the identification information of both children and adults at risk. Children can not even consent to sharing this data thus the only people that could protect them are their parents.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by mcherm »

keernan wrote: post #11

There is no need for id. IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. Both should be treated the same way. Make it illegal for parents or any adult to: - purchase an internet capable device for anyone under the age of 18 (or whatever age is deemed appropriate to allow unfettered access without any ID) - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to opera…

So apparently you believe that a 17-year-old should not be allowed to (a) order a pizza; (b) drive a car; (c) adjust the thermostat, unless they live in a sort of pre-internet Amish society which is probably based on the level of technology that was widely available when you were a child.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by vegetablepotpie »

edoceo wrote: post #24

There has got to be a way to assert that a user is human, and over some age, without having to identify which specific human that is.

There were proposals to do this, using encrypted containers of data that would let users authorize apps to use just the data they needed, but the idea got tied to Web3, which got some intense public blowback between the Crypto and NFT hype cycles.

https://www.w3.org/2023/Talks/0727-wearedevelopers-tbl/solid...

Now we’re onto AI, so we have suboptimal age verification, with implementations in law written by politicians

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Bender »

mcherm wrote: post #27
keernan wrote: post #11

There is no need for id. IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. Both should be treated the same way. Make it illegal for parents or any adult to: - purchase an internet capable device for anyone under the age of 18 (or whatever age is deemed appropriate to allow unfettered access without any ID) - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to opera…

So apparently you believe that a 17-year-old should not be allowed to (a) order a pizza; (b) drive a car; (c) adjust the thermostat, unless they live in a sort of pre-internet Amish society which is probably based on the level of technology that was widely available when you were a child.

I do not believe we should even try to restrict teens. Rather kids that would be 13 or younger by 2032 thus current teens not affected and kids that grow into teens that are still under parental controls could prove to their parents they are responsible enough to access adult content thus keeping parenting in the family and away from politicians.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by nodrog3000 »

edoceo wrote: post #24

There has got to be a way to assert that a user is human, and over some age, without having to identify which specific human that is.

This is an impossible task. If a certain business wants to make human id required, let them. It should not be enforced by government.

You have full control over your router and kid's devices so start there. Not anyone else's responsibility.

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