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The AI Hate Progression

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Re: The AI Hate Progression

#21
For a period of time, I was graphing HN AI sentiment on BULL/BEAR LOVE/HATE axes.

https://r5d.me/vibeschism/

The mania and lament continues at full speed, I suppose. And related to the brazen contempt for consent:

https://r5d.me/robots.txt

I like the article's sentiment, but a do-over sounds... unrealistic. Sadly, this is very common with the lamentation links, where the article accurately describes the problems at hand, but is alack of actionable advice.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#22
There are a few issues here that should be addressed. There's the AI hype and deafening echo chambers, but then there's also the actual value you can find in AI when you just try it a little bit quietly.

I totally disagree with the comparison to something like NFT. While AI is being pushed aggressively and it can definitely be annoying, AI is actually useful unlike NFTs.

Much like the author, I also enjoy photography, graphic design, and other creative hobbies. It's entirely my choice how much and where to apply AI.

We have to accept that yes, it's useful, and yes you can definitely produce good deliverables with it, not just slop. Yes, when looking for assets and not the artistic process, many people will use AI and the cost of creative work will plummet. It's not great but that's the way it is.

But it's not like we should just stop creating, especially if it's a hobby. Do it for fun. Or, maybe use AI to try something new.

Either way AI is too useful, it's here to stay and it doesn't need a do-over. It's true, we should accept the world is changing, and no amount of moaning or complaining will make this disappear.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#23
Maybe we could find common ground in hating the AI gold rush/arms race? If people weren't in such a huge hurry to build it out as fast as possible, maybe there would be more time to figure out how do things right?

Seen from that perspective, adding friction (for example, not releasing Mythos widely and suspending Fable for a while) is not so bad. If the bubble collapsed then that would also give us more time.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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post #3

A sentiment a lot of people can get behind, but at this point if AI is getting a do-over, society is getting a do-over, because the economic entanglements are not really fixable without a revolution of current capitalism. The amount of money that would evaporate if we did AI ethically is unfathomable. Most of big tech would collapse if they had to undo anything they did using stolen IP, as would a large section of th…

This endless moaning about "capitalism" is lamentable. You are looking at an oligopoly, degenerated through the mechanisms of American-style democracy, but you attribute it all to capitalism, an economic system, not ideology, because it became fashionable to hate on it during the financial crisis of 2007.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#26
A bit off-topic, but ever since the "change currency" swipe down gesture in Revolut was replaced with their nobody actually wants AI in their banking app AI, I've grown to just hate every occasion when I open the damn app.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#27
post #5

Good write up, and I think it accurately sums up many people's feelings about AI. One thing I would disagree with is the idea of AI getting a do over. Even if they somehow managed to do that, the idea of AI is fundamentally tainted for whole generations of people, and its reputation only gets worse every day. There's no coming back from that any time soon.

"The idea of AI is fundamentally tainted"

What does this even mean? You don't like machine learning? You don't like the letters AI? There's no coming back to what?

Do you work in the tech industry?

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wait. It's becoming clearer by the day that tech has become a monoculture. It's basically to a first approximation just a crowd of frauds plagiarizing each other (with a few, rare exceptions). Monocultures collapse. To date, the "promise" of AI is still imaginary. It's not living up to the transformative, abundant expectations that are being set. I personally think it's a safe bet it never will--that is, to be e…

It all depends on expectations. I find it useful. The analogy I use is this. What was a bigger leap in productivity: assembly to vb6 or vb6 to Ai? I think it’s definitely the first.

Yes, I agree there are areas where it's undeniably useful[0]. But that's not going to satisfy market expectations. Devtools is not a large addressable market. It's hard to find examples of real-world applications, which don't totally suck and users don't hate, outside of devtools. I can't think of a single one off the top of my head.

[0] I'm willing to concede this point, but I still maintain nobody has really shown it to be true in any rigorous sense. Maybe that doesn't matter. If people feel it makes them more productive, that's good enough for me.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#29
I have a coworker that irrationally hated ai too. He says something about how his daughter and friends' hobby is jailbreaking ai.

We have a product used in call centers. It turns out ai is amazing in triaging (surveying) people. We can ask a question in English and if they respond n another language (any language) the ai will switch to that language, ask its questions, and then give us the answers in English. This was stuff that was impossible 10-years-ago.

That ability won him over. The software is written in Java and spring-ai so I have control over the system and user prompts so jailbreaking isn't an issue.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

#30
I mean, the author is mad something is popular and calls it psychosis. Which, all things being equal, is balanced out by nay sayers time and time again. Is not posting a lengthy rant online and sharing it not a form of "psychosis" when viewed from people that like the new technology?

But he lost me at "As it exists right now, I don't give a toss what good it can do, what practical benefits it has once the techbros move on to their next mark. I don't care about any of it at all...". Because he feels hatred, we are supposed to look the other way when it can and does create benefits?

Just find a way to use it to your liking (maybe that's zero) and ignore the stuff you can't be bothered with and maybe that means being less connected to technology, which honestly, is pretty great at times.

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