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U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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The scales of money at play always seem so strange. Oh a few hundred million for ocean sensors, or about what a few OpenAI / Cursor employees or a few hundred FAANG employees could personally fund if they desired to do so.

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Because your rights (including property rights) are only what other people will respect, there is no true god head that swoops down to ensure it.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Read the article, but I'm still not seeing why the U.S. is pulling these sensors. Anyone have any insight?

The current administration doesn’t care about climate change, or believes it’s a hoax. Given this, they see no need to fund research and data gathering that tells them otherwise.

No, they are attacking any and all forms of data collection that can be connected to climate change - even if it's not specifically for climate change.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/may/...

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Read the article, but I'm still not seeing why the U.S. is pulling these sensors. Anyone have any insight?

There's no point in spending taxpayer money understanding what may or may not happen in the future, when we already know what will happen: Jesus is coming back. We need to spend on the military for the final battle of Armageddon.

^ Literally the beliefs of the most influential part of the political base of the administration.

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The scales of money at play always seem so strange. Oh a few hundred million for ocean sensors, or about what a few OpenAI / Cursor employees or a few hundred FAANG employees could personally fund if they desired to do so.

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The scales of money at play always seem so strange. Oh a few hundred million for ocean sensors, or about what a few OpenAI / Cursor employees or a few hundred FAANG employees could personally fund if they desired to do so.

Its not even about saving money. If they just wanted to save money they'd just stop paying attention to the data coming in, retask/lay off the people working on it, and let the buoys stay out there. A dumb idea to me, but at least that's consistent. Let other organizations decide to manage the buoys. While I'd prefer for the government to do it, it could be possible to have other groups fund such things. It would be a lot cheaper, easier, and allow for a smoother transition with no lost data for some other org or government to take over the project.

Instead, we're paying money to pull the sensors out of the water. We're actively spending money to blind ourselves to things we know are growing areas of concern.

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As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific.

It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage...

Additionally, OMB is not releasing the congressional appropriated funds that they are required to. This is currently tanking the post-doctoral researcher market and eventually will wipe out a generation of researchers if it isn’t stopped. https://grant-witness.us/funding_curves_nsf.html

Please call your elected representatives! It is so so important! https://5calls.org/issue/federal-financial-assistance-scienc...

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Read the article, but I'm still not seeing why the U.S. is pulling these sensors. Anyone have any insight?

Dismantling monitoring programs which show evidence of climate change is one of the Project 2025 priorities.

Specifically, their plan calls for downsizing the Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research (Mandate for Leadership, Project 2025, p. 676), and breaking up NOAA (p. 674), because they view these agencies as a source of "climate alarmism" and that "the preponderance of its climate-change research should be disbanded."

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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> Starting this week, the Ocean Observatories Initiative will lose a network of more than 900 ocean sensors from waters off Oregon, Washington, Alaska, North Carolina and Greenland. > By 2027, the National Science Foundation will have dismantled most of the system, which had been slated to run another 15 to 20 years. > Scientists had seen warning signs as the Trump administration’s proposed 2026 budget included a 55%…

Why not just sell them to some other country? Surely Canada would buy the in-place sensors and take them over.

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Read the article, but I'm still not seeing why the U.S. is pulling these sensors. Anyone have any insight?

Political strategy. Step one of controlling a population is to stop information flow; you can't stop something bad happening if you don't know about it. Since the party in charge thinks climate change is a hoax, all efforts at slowing climate change are therefore bad. So you remove the tools people use to document and respond to climate change, and now everything is fixed, in your world view.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current administration doesn’t care about climate change, or believes it’s a hoax. Given this, they see no need to fund research and data gathering that tells them otherwise.

No, they are attacking any and all forms of data collection that can be connected to climate change - even if it's not specifically for climate change. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/may/...

Not just climate data, they are changing how census data is aggregated so they can reverse-individualize for political goals, discussed 3 days ago.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48517377

https://www.npr.org/2026/06/12/nx-s1-5855734/census-bureau-d...

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