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Re: The Web We Know Is Going to Disappear

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Post by ge96 »

margalabargala wrote: post #6

What the article's prompt wanted to warn of, has already happened. For a decade at least. Personal blogs aren't going to disappear, there's right now more of them than ever! And there will be more! But the preponderance of sheer cruft will reduce their percentage. Discoverability of the content you want has always been the problem, and it still will be.

Yeah it does kind of suck where you have to go to someplace like reddit to get content and people have to "low-key" drop a link to their source blog

Re: The Web We Know Is Going to Disappear

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Post by ben_w »

alabut wrote: post #13
senderista wrote: post #3

> Maybe this article will be read by humans. Maybe it will be summarized by an AI into two polite lines for someone curious on the other side of the planet. Maybe it was generated by an AI in the first place.

I get the impression a lot of people use ai to clean up writing when English isn’t their first language, which unfortunately means they can’t see the robotic generic tone it creates. E.g. the references to user groups in Buenos Aires. One way they could maybe counteract it is approach it like code golf - can you use an LLM to make it much, much shorter? Because being overly verbose dilutes the handful of points you’r…

> I get the impression a lot of people use ai to clean up writing when English isn’t their first language, which unfortunately means they can’t see the robotic generic tone it creates. E.g. the references to user groups in Buenos Aires.

At this point, so many things include it as a feature that this is probably the default. Like spellcheck and grammar check 26 years ago (memories of editing page 6 of my coursework only for everything to get a red squiggle underline at once because Word had randomly decided the entire thing was in a different language).

Today I keep finding I want to write "unironically" into HN comments, no, this is not the right word.

*My best guess* is that crudeness of various kinds is going to be a proof of humanity fairly soon. not just swearing but violent language and obscenities, nocap, slang, spell everifing a bit rong, and definitely no symbol you need a modifier key to reach (so these brackets are right out, but this also directly excludes caps because shift is a modifier key). Gen-Z-ers will be mocked by Gen Alpha for using emoji. That kind of thing.

Re: The Web We Know Is Going to Disappear

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Post by plastic-enjoyer »

fsflover wrote: post #20
VulgarExigency wrote: post #17

The web as I knew it is already dead. It has been dead for years. I don't understand why the blog owner had the AI that wrote the article focus on technology like Flash vs HTML5, those had no bearing on what actually mattered, which were communities. What killed the web was the rise of social media and social media-like sites like Reddit. No one makes a website for their hobby or game/book/movie they're a fan of, and…

> No one makes a website for their hobby or game/book/movie they're a fan of This is just not true. We even have a dedicated web search for that: https:// wiby.me

This is obviously a hyperbole and you obviously know what he means with it.

Re: The Web We Know Is Going to Disappear

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Post by fsflover »

plastic-enjoyer wrote: post #24
fsflover wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one makes a website for their hobby or game/book/movie they're a fan of This is just not true. We even have a dedicated web search for that: https:// wiby.me

This is obviously a hyperbole and you obviously know what he means with it.

In the absolute numbers, the parent is probably wrong. In percentage they're right.

Re: The Web We Know Is Going to Disappear

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Post by duskwuff »

margalabargala wrote: post #6

What the article's prompt wanted to warn of, has already happened. For a decade at least. Personal blogs aren't going to disappear, there's right now more of them than ever! And there will be more! But the preponderance of sheer cruft will reduce their percentage. Discoverability of the content you want has always been the problem, and it still will be.

> Personal blogs aren't going to disappear, there's right now more of them than ever!

I'm not at all convinced. The personal blog, as it existed in the 2000s/2010s, is essentially dead. There are certainly still some sites which operate on that model - most commonly, in my experience, ones operated by professional authors or artists - but those, too, are increasingly rare.

In fact, I think this is an aspect of a broader trend - having a personal web site is increasingly uncommon. The default nowadays is to post your creations or experiences on social media, and to create communities within hosted services like Reddit or Discord.

Re: The Web We Know Is Going to Disappear

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Post by alabut »

ben_w wrote: post #22
alabut wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the impression a lot of people use ai to clean up writing when English isn’t their first language, which unfortunately means they can’t see the robotic generic tone it creates. E.g. the references to user groups in Buenos Aires. One way they could maybe counteract it is approach it like code golf - can you use an LLM to make it much, much shorter? Because being overly verbose dilutes the handful of points you’r…

> I get the impression a lot of people use ai to clean up writing when English isn’t their first language, which unfortunately means they can’t see the robotic generic tone it creates. E.g. the references to user groups in Buenos Aires. At this point, so many things include it as a feature that this is probably the default. Like spellcheck and grammar check 26 years ago (memories of editing page 6 of my coursework on…

Oh yeah, we’re already there. In fact it’s a pre-ai thing too, where I saw a cyclist YouTuber explain how making thumbnails look too professional is an anti-signal. People often crave authenticity over production value.

Re: The Web We Know Is Going to Disappear

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Post by johnea »

What do you mean by "We" Kimosabe?

For dipshits who think aggregating ad-based websites, and hate filled doom-loop algorithmic feeds, are "the web", this may be true.

But the rest of us, who aren't part of this "we", will still be here...

Re: The Web We Know Is Going to Disappear

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Post by margalabargala »

duskwuff wrote: post #26
margalabargala wrote: post #6

What the article's prompt wanted to warn of, has already happened. For a decade at least. Personal blogs aren't going to disappear, there's right now more of them than ever! And there will be more! But the preponderance of sheer cruft will reduce their percentage. Discoverability of the content you want has always been the problem, and it still will be.

> Personal blogs aren't going to disappear, there's right now more of them than ever! I'm not at all convinced. The personal blog , as it existed in the 2000s/2010s, is essentially dead. There are certainly still some sites which operate on that model - most commonly, in my experience, ones operated by professional authors or artists - but those, too, are increasingly rare. In fact, I think this is an aspect of a bro…

There's a difference between a personal blog and a personal website. I'll agree the amount of updates to personal websites is likely declining.

Personal blogs are not necessarily self hosted. Substack is very popular and not uncommon nor dying.

Re: The Web We Know Is Going to Disappear

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Post by icepush »

fred_is_fred wrote: post #7
paul7986 wrote: post #4

Actually i think AI will make the web the backbone of humanity once a system is in place that gets all humans paid for our daily content (conversations, pics, videos, songs, movies, etc). All of us create content daily via living. The web now is a system that all of humanity owns and its not controlled by one company or organization. It can be a place where every human publishes our daily content to our own websites…

The US President has no legal means to give every American stock - and even if he did, then what? What good is my 1 share of OpenAI going to do me?

In a long enough timescale it's easy to imagine one company run by an advanced AI driving all other companies out of business. Since it has no expenses, all profits are paid out as dividends, creating a kind of UBI where the number of shares you own determines your income. This has been discussed as an economic model by people who want advanced AI but don't want to get rid of public markets and shareholders.
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