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Re: KDE Plasma 6.7 Released

#21

Post by tmtvl »

graemep wrote: post #15
backend_dev82 wrote: post #4

Oh yeah, maybe 15-20 years ago, i started by Linux journey with Kubuntu, just because i loved how KDE looked, much better than the alternatives. Sadly it was not difficult to encounter a bug at that time, so i gave up on it quickly. I wonder if it is in better shape now?

I am surprised that you encountered bugs that long ago. KDE was at its buggiest in the early days of KDE 4 2008 onwards. If those dates are not exact and it was early KDE 4 you had problems with, then yes, its much better now.

Yes, 2008 is roughly 15~20 years ago; and yes: typing that makes me feel old.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.7 Released

#22

Post by outime »

backend_dev82 wrote: post #4

Oh yeah, maybe 15-20 years ago, i started by Linux journey with Kubuntu, just because i loved how KDE looked, much better than the alternatives. Sadly it was not difficult to encounter a bug at that time, so i gave up on it quickly. I wonder if it is in better shape now?

Are you asking whether software that's been actively developed has changed since the last time you used it 15-20 years ago? I'd be wary of holding a grudge against something for so long.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.7 Released

#24

Post by anthk »

btreecat wrote: post #19
iberator wrote: post #17

All KDE after 2 and 3 is awful to use. I remember running KDE 1 running flawlessly on 32mb of RAM having a better desktop experience than today...

All KDE before 5 is buggy, slow, unstable, ugly, and generally unpleasant to use. I remember running KDE3 and it consumed too much ram for too little stability. Much worse desktop experience than today.

It depended on the release. KDE 3.5.10 from Debian Sarge's backports was rock solid and more stable than several others. Ditto with SuSE, which had a golden stability. Red Hat was a disaster.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.7 Released

#25

Post by lproven »

iberator wrote: post #17

All KDE after 2 and 3 is awful to use. I remember running KDE 1 running flawlessly on 32mb of RAM having a better desktop experience than today...

> All KDE after 2 and 3 is awful to use.

Thank you for saying this! I agree. KDE 1.x was great. KDE 2.x was cluttered but it did the job; with a major rework, such as Corel LinuxOS and Xandros gave it, it was a good desktop.

https://www.linux.org.ru/images/9832/original.png

Xandros never managed to tame KDE 3. It released a tech preview, with a basically unmodified copy of KDE 3, and then stopped putting out new versions of the desktop OS.

KDE is the poster child for creeping featuritis: it has dozens and dozens of skins and app launchers and other relatively pointless chrome that does not extend its functionality.

And yet, over the major releases from 4 to 5 to 6, it has gradually lost useful features, such as tabbed title bars and window grouping; title bars on the side of windows (like in wm2 and wmx), or on the bottom; and panels that could span screens.

20 years ago, there was a parody of KDE versus GNOME:

https://koplowicz.com/content/kde-vs-gnome-2

Now, it feels to me like the roles are reversed.

> I remember running KDE 1 running flawlessly on 32mb of RAM having a better desktop experience than today...

Also agreed.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.7 Released

#26

Post by ahartmetz »

anthk wrote: post #24
btreecat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All KDE before 5 is buggy, slow, unstable, ugly, and generally unpleasant to use. I remember running KDE3 and it consumed too much ram for too little stability. Much worse desktop experience than today.

It depended on the release. KDE 3.5.10 from Debian Sarge's backports was rock solid and more stable than several others. Ditto with SuSE, which had a golden stability. Red Hat was a disaster.

SuSE employed several KDE developers at the time while Red Hat employed many Gnome developers. In fact, Gnome was inofficially a Red Hat project back then.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.7 Released

#27

Post by mixmastamyk »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #14
backend_dev82 wrote: post #4

Oh yeah, maybe 15-20 years ago, i started by Linux journey with Kubuntu, just because i loved how KDE looked, much better than the alternatives. Sadly it was not difficult to encounter a bug at that time, so i gave up on it quickly. I wonder if it is in better shape now?

It's the ultimate power user desktop system, in my opinion it even dwarfs MacOS in terms of how you can customize it and how it looks. It left Windows in the dust a long time ago in terms of functionality and usability (not that this would be particularly hard given how Windows has been degrading over the last decade). Everything is super snappy, smooth, built-in apps like Konsole and Dolphin are super polished, Kons…

Interesting that you call out konsole because I think the UI is horrible, perhaps the worst KDE app. The defaults with multiple toolbars are the opposite of what I want in a terminal and the context menu is stuffed with dozens of irrelevant options like char encoding, which I’ve never changed over a thirty year career.

It’s cluttered enough that even though I prefer a GUI preference dialog, I’ll use e.g. alacri/ghost/ki/tty instead.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.7 Released

#28

Post by graemep »

tmtvl wrote: post #21
graemep wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am surprised that you encountered bugs that long ago. KDE was at its buggiest in the early days of KDE 4 2008 onwards. If those dates are not exact and it was early KDE 4 you had problems with, then yes, its much better now.

Yes, 2008 is roughly 15~20 years ago; and yes: typing that makes me feel old.

me too!

Re: KDE Plasma 6.7 Released

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Post by KetoManx64 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #27
ThePhysicist wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the ultimate power user desktop system, in my opinion it even dwarfs MacOS in terms of how you can customize it and how it looks. It left Windows in the dust a long time ago in terms of functionality and usability (not that this would be particularly hard given how Windows has been degrading over the last decade). Everything is super snappy, smooth, built-in apps like Konsole and Dolphin are super polished, Kons…

Interesting that you call out konsole because I think the UI is horrible, perhaps the worst KDE app. The defaults with multiple toolbars are the opposite of what I want in a terminal and the context menu is stuffed with dozens of irrelevant options like char encoding, which I’ve never changed over a thirty year career. It’s cluttered enough that even though I prefer a GUI preference dialog, I’ll use e.g. alacri/ghost…

It's a positive and a negative. I use Konsole daily and have all the toolbars hidden. Every so often if I need something I toggle them on with Control + Shift + M, but it's once in a blue moon that I need that.

I've tried Kitty and Alacritty but the fact that you have to dive into the config file for everything right when you're starting out with the terminal was just not worth the time investment in my eyes.

Re: KDE Plasma 6.7 Released

#30

Post by pjmlp »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #14
backend_dev82 wrote: post #4

Oh yeah, maybe 15-20 years ago, i started by Linux journey with Kubuntu, just because i loved how KDE looked, much better than the alternatives. Sadly it was not difficult to encounter a bug at that time, so i gave up on it quickly. I wonder if it is in better shape now?

It's the ultimate power user desktop system, in my opinion it even dwarfs MacOS in terms of how you can customize it and how it looks. It left Windows in the dust a long time ago in terms of functionality and usability (not that this would be particularly hard given how Windows has been degrading over the last decade). Everything is super snappy, smooth, built-in apps like Konsole and Dolphin are super polished, Kons…

Ironically KDE version of COM (KParts and D-Bus integration) is so much easier to use, I don't get why some folks at Microsoft always double down on making it so hard to use from C++, when it is the main API surface since Vista.
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