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US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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> Holy shill account Some of us just haven't fallen for terrorist propaganda.

I'll bite, so the genocide is not happening then? Israel is not murdering innocent civilians on a grand scale, be that by directly killing or by indirect ways of starving them out?

Don’t feed the trolls.

Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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post #12

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They leveled whole villages to ground and created "freely kill any citizen you see" zone. They made millions homeless. Like common.

> They leveled whole villages to ground and created "freely kill any citizen you see" zone. That's a rather strange way of describing evacuation zones which Israel announces to reduce civilian casualties. > They made millions homeless. When one starts a war, loses and then refuses to surrender or negotiate a peace deal...that's not exactly surprising.

I described it as what it exactly is. And it is meant to maximize civilian causalities while doing ethnic cleansing.

Israel started that war, not civilians. I hope you are not suggesting what it implies.

Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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> to reduce civilian casualties. I am in shock you wrote this.

> I am in shock you wrote this. You're shocked I'm against killing civilians? Those who want civilian casualties are terrorist organizations like Hamas.[0] [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israe...

It's that anyone who is keeping count can see that the amount of Palestinian civilians that have been killed in this war is a very very large number.

Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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4 hours since posting. Any news of this being breached yet?

I assume it was just another market manipulation play?

And if it does hold, what is his next move to cause even more massive price shocks? They won't let prices revert to where they were - it's just normal now to have some shock event to raise prices

Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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post #18

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> I'll bite, so the genocide is not happening then? Of course it's not genocide(I assume you're referring to Gaza like most others who make this claim), there is a war against an organization(Hamas) that embeds itself within a civilian population(which is a war crime). > Israel is not murdering innocent civilians on a grand scale, be that by directly killing or by indirect ways of starving them out? There is collater…

Here is your evidence on mass starvation in Gaza. Shame on you. https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165517 https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-fo... https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/disasters-and-emergencie...

> Here is your evidence on mass starvation in Gaza.

There were food distribution issues prior to the ceasefire but even the UN(which is highly biased for various reasons) is not claiming there is currently any famine.[0]

Publicly available data shows that sufficient food is making it into Gaza to avoid mass starvation.

[0] https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-88077...

Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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> I am in shock you wrote this. You're shocked I'm against killing civilians? Those who want civilian casualties are terrorist organizations like Hamas.[0] [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israe...

It's that anyone who is keeping count can see that the amount of Palestinian civilians that have been killed in this war is a very very large number.

> It's that anyone who is keeping count can see that the amount of Palestinian civilians that have been killed in this war is a very very large number.

Civilian deaths are in line with what would be expected for urban warfare with the enemy hiding amongst the civilian population. Obviously creating civilian deaths is part of the Hamas strategy.

Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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These wars would only ever end if every force in the middle east that offers resistance to Israel's ambitions are defeated, but that resistance is both inevitable and offers the exact justification needed to implement said ambitions, its wonderfully circular. In Gaza they literally pulverized entire cities [1], making them uninhabitable, this isn't even really a war on terror by the western mainstream's standards, it…

> These wars would only ever end if every force in the middle east that offers resistance to Israel's ambitions are defeated, but that resistance is both inevitable and offers the exact justification needed to implement said ambitions, its wonderfully circular. Obviously if there are terrorist attacks coming from a neighboring country then one would expect retaliation. You seem to be arguing terrorist attacks don't j…

> That's not unexpected when there are military tunnels under the cities. How else could they be eliminated?

Brilliant, any underground structure becomes a "terror tunnel", its wonderful you can level whole neighborhoods and afterwards claim it was justified because there were tunnels there. If that were true we would see gaps in the destruction in the satellite imagery wouldn't we? Or where they digging tunnels in grid patterns to every house in every neighborhood and under every street? What total moral bankruptcy to just blanked declare every civilian home and infrastructure as justifiable targets.

Anyway if we want Israel talking points uncritically parroted we can just read literally any newspaper so spare us your breath.

Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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The key part to understand why this means nothing: > Iran’s Supreme National Security Council said in a statement that the country had finalized a memorandum of understanding with the United States > The agreement will be signed on Friday > In a statement, Supreme National Security Council said the agreement called for an immediate end to military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon But Israel is never going…

Disgusting that dehumanising Israelis has become a past time of people on this website. Having stared down Hezbollah flags in Israel’s north and having friends living on the border under constant fire many of whom have had damage to their homes, I have no confusion of who Hezbollah is. If you have any soul, how about you speak to the families of the half a million Syrians that Hezbollah helped Assad’s regime to murder? Or the Lebanese about the enormous 2020 port explosion?

Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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post #4

The key part to understand why this means nothing: > Iran’s Supreme National Security Council said in a statement that the country had finalized a memorandum of understanding with the United States > The agreement will be signed on Friday > In a statement, Supreme National Security Council said the agreement called for an immediate end to military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon But Israel is never going…

I've always wondered what "illegal" means in this context? Is it designed to just be a pejorative, or something incendiary? When is an invasion "legal"? I can't really think of any case where any kind of recognized body of law (especially one that both constituents would recognize) would impose legality on an invasion, so it seems that people say "illegal" in much the same way that "legal" has become a stand-in in our society for "moral".

Should I read it as "immoral invasion"? Leaving aside whether it is or isn't, at least that framing makes sense, because you can meaningfully debate the morality of an invasion, but I can't understand how you could debate legality (except perhaps within the country's own internal framework of laws, like if a president declared a war without going through the proper legal channels).

Re: US and Iran reach cease fire agreement

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These wars would only ever end if every force in the middle east that offers resistance to Israel's ambitions are defeated, but that resistance is both inevitable and offers the exact justification needed to implement said ambitions, its wonderfully circular. In Gaza they literally pulverized entire cities [1], making them uninhabitable, this isn't even really a war on terror by the western mainstream's standards, it…

> These wars would only ever end if every force in the middle east that offers resistance to Israel's ambitions are defeated, but that resistance is both inevitable and offers the exact justification needed to implement said ambitions, its wonderfully circular. Obviously if there are terrorist attacks coming from a neighboring country then one would expect retaliation. You seem to be arguing terrorist attacks don't j…

You do realise that Gaza isn't a separate country? Not that it's the same country, as either option would require Israel to give it's citizens voting rights, or it's rights as an independent nation.
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