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Re: Rio de Janeiro's city government model Rio3.5 beats Qwen3.7 in recent benchmarks

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Post by naasking »

atoav wrote: post #10
cuzezzzbbfofai wrote: post #4

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A government ideally is a representation of the democratically chosen will of the people. If it is not, work towards making it so. IMO wherever someone says "the government" we should mentally substitute "we all, collectively". But a specific type of person appears to labour under the illusion that somehow we can get by without we all collectively steering our direction and choosing people who do what needs to be don…

> IMO wherever someone says "the government" we should mentally substitute "we all, collectively".

No, we should substitute "unaccountable bureaucrats". The people who enter and leave power from elections are not the source of the daily frustrations people have with government, it's the rest.

Re: Rio de Janeiro's city government model Rio3.5 beats Qwen3.7 in recent benchmarks

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Post by atoav »

naasking wrote: post #21
atoav wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A government ideally is a representation of the democratically chosen will of the people. If it is not, work towards making it so. IMO wherever someone says "the government" we should mentally substitute "we all, collectively". But a specific type of person appears to labour under the illusion that somehow we can get by without we all collectively steering our direction and choosing people who do what needs to be don…

> IMO wherever someone says "the government" we should mentally substitute "we all, collectively". No, we should substitute "unaccountable bureaucrats". The people who enter and leave power from elections are not the source of the daily frustrations people have with government, it's the rest.

If this is in fact an issue where you life, then you should consider stopping to elect politicians that allow bureaucrats to be unaccountable. Or stop believing politicians who rave on about how bureaucrats are unaccountable while they themselves have the power to shape systems where that would not be the case.

Re: Rio de Janeiro's city government model Rio3.5 beats Qwen3.7 in recent benchmarks

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Post by airstrike »

naasking wrote: post #21
atoav wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A government ideally is a representation of the democratically chosen will of the people. If it is not, work towards making it so. IMO wherever someone says "the government" we should mentally substitute "we all, collectively". But a specific type of person appears to labour under the illusion that somehow we can get by without we all collectively steering our direction and choosing people who do what needs to be don…

> IMO wherever someone says "the government" we should mentally substitute "we all, collectively". No, we should substitute "unaccountable bureaucrats". The people who enter and leave power from elections are not the source of the daily frustrations people have with government, it's the rest.

how do you think that alleged amorphous mass of unaccountable bureaucrats got their jobs?

Re: Rio de Janeiro's city government model Rio3.5 beats Qwen3.7 in recent benchmarks

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Post by blahblaher »

cuzezzzbbfofai wrote: post #4

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yes, let's instead trust a bunch of billionaires, that "for sure" have your and all of our interests at heart. And no, the "invisible hand" does not exist, it's the Epstein class hand, you just don't see it

Re: Rio de Janeiro's city government model Rio3.5 beats Qwen3.7 in recent benchmarks

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Post by embedding-shape »

Aurornis wrote: post #18

A city government funding a fine-tune of a model is interesting. As for the benchmarks: If you spend any time playing with fine tunes of published models you know that benchmarks are gamed so much that they're a useless indicator of performance for models from small teams. It's too easy to fine tune a model to perform well on the benchmarks, release it, put a line on your resume saying you released a model that beat…

Indeed, this is all very true, I'd say it's true for the larger teams too, the entire ecosystem is so gamed by now that if you don't have your own private benchmarks with private test cases you haven't shared publicly, it's almost impossible to get a fair picture how well a model works, unless you actually sit down and use it.

Re: Rio de Janeiro's city government model Rio3.5 beats Qwen3.7 in recent benchmarks

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Post by marcosdumay »

Aurornis wrote: post #18

A city government funding a fine-tune of a model is interesting. As for the benchmarks: If you spend any time playing with fine tunes of published models you know that benchmarks are gamed so much that they're a useless indicator of performance for models from small teams. It's too easy to fine tune a model to perform well on the benchmarks, release it, put a line on your resume saying you released a model that beat…

> A city government funding a fine-tune of a model is interesting.

Looks like it's an IT services government-owned company.

Most likely, they saw some business opportunity on selling it around for cities.

Re: Rio de Janeiro's city government model Rio3.5 beats Qwen3.7 in recent benchmarks

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Post by rafaquintanilha »

hedgehog wrote: post #19
oceansky wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It's post training in qwen using the novel SwiReasoning framework.

I hadn't seen SwiReasoning ( https://swireasoning.github.io , paper and code), it looks like that works at generation time without any requirements on the model. It increases token-efficiency and accuracy, but at first skim it seems like this would be incompatible with multi-token prediction. For large reductions in token budget it could be worth it.

Doesn't look like it's incompatible. Someone already released a quantization using MTP: https://huggingface.co/foxipanda/Rio-3.5-Open-397B-GGUF
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