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Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists

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Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists

#21

12mph seems very slow, but I suppose you can still cycle in the carriageway if you're a decent cyclist? Really we need to ban motorised vehicles that go above 12mph. They are not bicycles and should not be in cycleways. I feel there is a big difference between someone who is able to pedal at higher speeds and someone who is just using a motor vehicle.

Cycling on the road is only allowed where there are no bike lanes, which is very rare.

Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists

#22
post #18

They need a distinction between pedal assist and fully electric (motor) bike. I live in Luxembourg and the infrastructure is not as good as the Netherlands. Majority of offenders (in my experience) are delivery guys and teenagers. Where teenagers simply don't care & do reckless things like passing on a big intersection at full speed on a red light, delivery guys do the same things for extra tips. Some of the fat-tire…

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Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists

#23

The boundary between a bicycle and a motorbike has completely dissapeared. That boundary needs to be recovered, and then rules will make sense again, until then, any effort is futile.

I think it's pretty clear what is a bicycle. Bicycles don't have engines.

Do you? At least the german law not. Looks like the law in the nederlands too.

Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's pretty clear what is a bicycle. Bicycles don't have engines.

Do you? At least the german law not. Looks like the law in the nederlands too.

German law is created for litigation not for clarification.

Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists

#25
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could’ve said what you said except the “immigrant kind” bit. I see enough Dutch assholes on fat bikes just as well. No need to be xenophobic here.

Nah, its almost for sure xenophobic and classist. I think fat bikes are the best thing that happened to amsterdam because all the scooters disappeared. All the poor people that used to ride scooters are now riding fat bikes. Its better for their health and their wallet. Yes they tend to be a bit less educated and socialised, but they were like that when they drove scooters as well. Banning fat bikes is gesture politi…

They drive fatbikes instead of road scooters, of the 25kmh limit ones eligible for cycling lanes?

Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists

#26
I life on a big street intersection with traffic lights in a city. Every year I can observe at least one cyclist crash with a car. Mostly because they just ignore the traffic lights completely. As cyclist you learn that traffic rules are not for you, because when you ignore them, normally nothing happens. When you want to safe lives, you need to register bikes and punish cyclists that ignore traffic rules. Otherwise the physics will do it, with much harder punishment.

Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? At least the german law not. Looks like the law in the nederlands too.

German law is created for litigation not for clarification.

You talk about the civil law.

Re: Trial of 12mph bike lane speed limit grinds gears of Dutch cyclists

#28
They should just limit electric bikes to 15km/h.

If you want to go faster, pedal yourself.

This solves two problems:

- Cool kids aren't cool anymore, biking on their now slow ass fatbikes

- Old people who's mental faculties can't keep up with 25km/h anymore dont end up in so many traffic accidents.

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