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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

alephnerd wrote: post #13
fidotron wrote: post #8

While deeply unlikely to change anything it really is important as much noise is made about this as possible. On top of this will be C-34 which is just full no privacy anymore territory https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/06/everything-all-at-once-b... The gov do all this and then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses leaving all the value being captured…

> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian…

> Canadian tech is nonexistent because every Canadian pension fund, family office, and bank prefers to invest in American equities over Canadian equities.

Off-topic but I suspect it's also that oil and gas and real estate are the "easy" money in Canada and that's where investment goes. Canadian investors are risk adverse because they can be. That and there's a colonial-descended cultural bias towards credentials and established players.

But yeah, I'm furiously writing code for a product living off my savings, and would love to get investment to build a startup off of it, but every time I sniff around the Canadian "investor" scene it becomes clear to me that they'd have no time for somebody like me.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

giantg2 wrote: post #19
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Misinformed" is a strange word for what was clearly an attempt at a coup, with massive amounts of foreign money involved? The RCMP and other agencies and the province were not doing their job. I was not a fan of Trudeau, but I don't really know what they could have done to resolve the situation. (And that is in fact one of the reasons I'm suspicious and critical of this bill. I don't think giving law enforcement age…

This is the first I've heard that called a coup. Was there and actual overthrow attempt?

It was clearly communicated by their leaders that they weren't leaving the streets until the government resigned (or "all pandemic measures dropped", which the fed gov't had no power to do as the majority were either provincial mandates or were forced on us by the US gov't)

Also the exact same set of people (and I mean, literally, look up the names of the leaders) tried almost exactly the same thing a few years earlier around carbon tax and environmental issues. But the government was stronger then and Canadians more united.

And yes, they had massive and well documented funding from American conservative lobby groups, in both instances.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by alephnerd »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #21
alephnerd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian…

> Canadian tech is nonexistent because every Canadian pension fund, family office, and bank prefers to invest in American equities over Canadian equities. Off-topic but I suspect it's also that oil and gas and real estate are the "easy" money in Canada and that's where investment goes. Canadian investors are risk adverse because they can be. That and there's a colonial-descended cultural bias towards credentials and…

> it's also that oil and gas and real estate are the "easy" money in Canada and that's where investment goes

Partially. The money made in ONG and Construction is then re-invested in American equities. And even provincial pension like Ontario Teachers and La Caisse funds prefer investing in American equities instead because their only incentive is pension solvency.

The issue is Canada is simply a tiny country with an extremely loose confederation in a world that is returning to a "winner takes all" mindset dependent on hard unification.

More tactically, using a Yozma-style approach to subsidize Canadian VC would help sow the seeds for a truly self sustaining ecosystem.

> it becomes clear to me that they'd have no time for somebody like me

Because they don't and never will. Anyone who has potential gets frustrated and leaves (ofc I've poached a couple as well).

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by fidotron »

alephnerd wrote: post #13
fidotron wrote: post #8

While deeply unlikely to change anything it really is important as much noise is made about this as possible. On top of this will be C-34 which is just full no privacy anymore territory https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/06/everything-all-at-once-b... The gov do all this and then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses leaving all the value being captured…

> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian…

> Heck, China, Israel, and India all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements.

It's almost like all three of those involve absolutely enormous captive markets, including for their defence/espionage purposes.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by hylaride »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #22
giantg2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first I've heard that called a coup. Was there and actual overthrow attempt?

It was clearly communicated by their leaders that they weren't leaving the streets until the government resigned (or "all pandemic measures dropped", which the fed gov't had no power to do as the majority were either provincial mandates or were forced on us by the US gov't) Also the exact same set of people (and I mean, literally, look up the names of the leaders) tried almost exactly the same thing a few years earli…

That's not a coup. That's an illegal protest. They were all a bunch of self-centred idiots, but let's not give them credit for something that it wasn't.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by [deleted] »

alephnerd wrote: post #5
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #2

There is not enough noise about this bill. It's horrific. If you're Canadian, call your MP and raise a stink. The Liberals need to be shown quite explicitly by people in our profession how this will harm our industry, in addition to harming the privacy rights of our citizens; and it seems like conservatives are not planning on opposing this bill (just want it split in half) and the NDP is the only party raising real…

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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by realo »

alephnerd wrote: post #5
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #2

There is not enough noise about this bill. It's horrific. If you're Canadian, call your MP and raise a stink. The Liberals need to be shown quite explicitly by people in our profession how this will harm our industry, in addition to harming the privacy rights of our citizens; and it seems like conservatives are not planning on opposing this bill (just want it split in half) and the NDP is the only party raising real…

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"Canada doesn't have the free speech laws like we do in the US..."

Yep. And that is a very good thing. Hate speech is illegal here.

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