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Re: Proton is funding the French far right on YouTube

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Does it matter if it was? It's 2026. LLMs are integrated into text editors the same way as spell checkers and grammar checkers. Even if people write things themselves, they likely are using LLMs to review and edit. This isn't a bot pretending to be a human, this is an official announcement from a company. It's going to be written by a committee and edited by legal and PR and marketing anyway. Who cares if one (or sev…

Yes? Can’t take 10 minutes to speak (or at least redraft) with your own voice? I’ve written PR copy solo, and in committee. It’s not rocket surgery. It’s a group of people standing around with a thesaurus. But if you leave AI-isms in, just feels like you whipped it out while coffee was brewing.

I'm still deciding how I feel about LLM generated text in situations like this. My struggle is that the content is what matters and complaining about use of an LLM is like complaining that someone didn't work hard enough. I'm not sure I value how hard they worked to craft it or the exact words, I value the content itself.

This isn't true in something like fictional content, but...

Re: Proton is funding the French far right on YouTube

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Response from Proton > You're right to raise this, and we want to address it directly and provide you important context on how this happened. > Vincent Lapierre's channel should never have been part of our affiliate and sponsorship program, because we intentionally avoid association with channels whose content could distract from our message and divide our community. > Proton operates globally, and while our services…

> You're right to raise this Is this LLM generated?

Lazy enough to draft their response with LLMs, but not diligent enough to vett their sponsors with LLMs.

Re: Proton is funding the French far right on YouTube

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Response from Proton > You're right to raise this, and we want to address it directly and provide you important context on how this happened. > Vincent Lapierre's channel should never have been part of our affiliate and sponsorship program, because we intentionally avoid association with channels whose content could distract from our message and divide our community. > Proton operates globally, and while our services…

What a load of damage control. Partnerships are not something dumb algorithm can pick up like in some AdSense campaign. This was deliberately done by a human after a series of negotiations between parties in writing. You (Proton) were absolutely not intentionally avoiding it, but you were intentionally seeking it and finalized the contract yourself.

Re: Proton is funding the French far right on YouTube

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Response from Proton > You're right to raise this, and we want to address it directly and provide you important context on how this happened. > Vincent Lapierre's channel should never have been part of our affiliate and sponsorship program, because we intentionally avoid association with channels whose content could distract from our message and divide our community. > Proton operates globally, and while our services…

> You're right to raise this Is this LLM generated?

>> You're right to raise this

> Is this LLM generated?

Thank you for noticing this and pointing it out. I don't use LLM often and would have missed it. How many hours a day do you spend actively using AI?

Re: Proton is funding the French far right on YouTube

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After the 404 piece on them ( https://404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-... ), this is the second stab at the good opinion I had about them :/ Not saying there's a pattern behind those two informations but I'll definitely be watching more closely their news.

i can totally understand this piece of news being a "stab". but, i dont understand the 404 piece. they are a lawfully operating company, they will answer lawful requests. the same will be true of any and all companies you choose to use for your mail. in this case, only payment data was handed over. if your payment history is of concern, proton accepts cash and bitcoin (if anything, this should be a point in favor of…

It's possible that the 404 stab might be a personal one and comes from too high expectations from me and/or misunderstanding about how private our data was with them.

The privacy tech was part of their marketing, I'm quite sure about that. But the fact that they're swiss might also have helped to believe that privacy wouldn't be bargained (vs/ american companies) => I honestly don't remember if it was a claim they had.

Re: Proton is funding the French far right on YouTube

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Basically, yes. If you support inequality in front of the law (basically that laws should apply differently depending on your skin n colour or your religion), you are far right. Shouldn't be that hard to understand. In general, most reactionary politics are far-right, although you're right that being reactionnary isn't enough to be categorised as such. But any reactionnary policy that create more hierarchical levels…

The problem with immigrants in Europe from Africa and the Middle East isn't their skin color, it's their religion, which is inseparable from their culture. Immigrants from these countries commit literally an order of magnitude (10x) more serious crimes, from assault to rape. They do not respect Western culture or law: many have explicitly stated that they want Sharia, and in many cases they have established a parallel system of Sharia courts.

Claiming people objecting to this are "racist" is completely missing the point. It's not "far right" to want to protect your society from a literal invasion of incompatible people.

Re: Proton is funding the French far right on YouTube

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Response from Proton > You're right to raise this, and we want to address it directly and provide you important context on how this happened. > Vincent Lapierre's channel should never have been part of our affiliate and sponsorship program, because we intentionally avoid association with channels whose content could distract from our message and divide our community. > Proton operates globally, and while our services…

What a load of damage control. Partnerships are not something dumb algorithm can pick up like in some AdSense campaign. This was deliberately done by a human after a series of negotiations between parties in writing. You (Proton) were absolutely not intentionally avoiding it, but you were intentionally seeking it and finalized the contract yourself.

Mistakes happen. It's not like they contracted with a bunch of such channels, just a singular one.

Re: Proton is funding the French far right on YouTube

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i can totally understand this piece of news being a "stab". but, i dont understand the 404 piece. they are a lawfully operating company, they will answer lawful requests. the same will be true of any and all companies you choose to use for your mail. in this case, only payment data was handed over. if your payment history is of concern, proton accepts cash and bitcoin (if anything, this should be a point in favor of…

It's possible that the 404 stab might be a personal one and comes from too high expectations from me and/or misunderstanding about how private our data was with them. The privacy tech was part of their marketing, I'm quite sure about that. But the fact that they're swiss might also have helped to believe that privacy wouldn't be bargained (vs/ american companies) => I honestly don't remember if it was a claim they ha…

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