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Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by tcp_handshaker » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:24 PM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #11

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #7

They are in the phase I need a government bailout like the banks after their crazy financial adventures of the 2000 to 2008. At which point the corruption is so big, that an Empire crumbles under its own stench? "Trump to meet AI leaders to discuss US investment in their companies" - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98r8r7dz5no "Trump Officials Held Millions of Dollars of SpaceX Ahead of IPO" - https://finance.yaho…

The retirement investor bailout strategy seems to have recently failed with the index fund rejection of SpaceX but therefore Anthropic and OpenAI. They’ll have to keep looking for ways to make others deal with the consequences of their actions.

Only for the S&P not the NASDAQ, but the Capex they need until 2030 is well over 2 to 3 trillion, so now they plan to use US Treasury Bonds as their exit liquidity.

"Your 401K Is Their Exit Strategy" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48433705

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by enraged_camel » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:25 PM UTC

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #15

xnx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is "taboo" the right word? "taboo" = "banned on grounds of morality or taste". Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational.

>> Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational. As opposed to sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in the USA ? Which one is the most irrational?

We as Americans at least have some amount of influence over American corporations, and enforcement mechanisms for those breaking the rules.

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by joe_mamba » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:26 PM UTC

zkmon wrote: post #9

Most American companies (regulated ones, definitely) can't dare to touch any Chinese models, though they knew that it makes perfect economic sense. Until the taboo prevails, the cartel get's their flood of profit. That's a cartel protected by regulations.

>Most American companies (regulated ones, definitely) can't dare to touch any Chinese models, though they knew that it makes perfect economic sense.

Weird, considering they had no issues shipping manufacturing and supply chains to China when that made economic sense.

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Post by blfr » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:26 PM UTC

scotty79 wrote: post #20

xnx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is "taboo" the right word? "taboo" = "banned on grounds of morality or taste". Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational.

"China bad!" is a moral statement. Whetever the reasons might have been that it was formed.

China is bad and there's a moral argument there. But the reason you want to be careful with sending IP to China is quite pragmatic: they're willing and able to use it while competing with you.

Is Alibaba interested in copying your TUI RSS reader though? Probably not.

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Post by mynameismon » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:26 PM UTC

zkmon wrote: post #9

Most American companies (regulated ones, definitely) can't dare to touch any Chinese models, though they knew that it makes perfect economic sense. Until the taboo prevails, the cartel get's their flood of profit. That's a cartel protected by regulations.

Why not Chinese models hosted on American hardware?

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Post by mannanj » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:27 PM UTC

xnx wrote: post #12

zkmon wrote: post #9

Most American companies (regulated ones, definitely) can't dare to touch any Chinese models, though they knew that it makes perfect economic sense. Until the taboo prevails, the cartel get's their flood of profit. That's a cartel protected by regulations.

Is "taboo" the right word? "taboo" = "banned on grounds of morality or taste". Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational.

I don't want to send my data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in USA either. This to me seems very rational.

It's not tribalistic or binary ,choose USA Or Choose China. We can choose neither.

Choose neither abuse.

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:27 PM UTC

xnx wrote: post #12

zkmon wrote: post #9

Most American companies (regulated ones, definitely) can't dare to touch any Chinese models, though they knew that it makes perfect economic sense. Until the taboo prevails, the cartel get's their flood of profit. That's a cartel protected by regulations.

Is "taboo" the right word? "taboo" = "banned on grounds of morality or taste". Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational.

Many of the Chinese models are open weights, so if you are concerned about them "phoning home", then anyone can just self-host and run them themself, or use via a US provider such as OpenRouter.

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Post by Der_Einzige » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:27 PM UTC

xnx wrote: post #12

zkmon wrote: post #9

Most American companies (regulated ones, definitely) can't dare to touch any Chinese models, though they knew that it makes perfect economic sense. Until the taboo prevails, the cartel get's their flood of profit. That's a cartel protected by regulations.

Is "taboo" the right word? "taboo" = "banned on grounds of morality or taste". Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational.

The Chinese models can and should be run locally (though the price difference vs western models isn't as good when done this way).

Before the age of AI Agent Harnesses/unbounded tool calling, there was literally ZERO risk of a .safetensors file "hacking" you. You could even air-gap and run a ton of security analysis/HIDS on your server running the model to verify this.

Now, because a microscopic risk of some chinese AI having a "trigger" to act badly in a harness when it detects its being used by some Gweilo in the USA, even locally run Chinese models are DOA for most USA based companies.

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by tcp_handshaker » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:28 PM UTC

Levitz wrote: post #19

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational. As opposed to sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in the USA ? Which one is the most irrational?

You can legally act against one, not against the other. Not exactly a hard question.

Looking forward to the outcome of those legal processes againt the CEOs, that sit behind Trump at the inauguration. After they stole all the knowledge in the world to train their models. And the current administration is drunk on SpaceX pre IPO shares...how did they get them?

"Trump Officials Held Millions of Dollars of SpaceX Ahead of IPO" - https://news.bloomberglaw.com/texas-brief/trump-officials-he...

Re: The OnlyFans Economy of American AI

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Post by blfr » Sun, Jun 07, 2026, 3:28 PM UTC

joe_mamba wrote: post #23

zkmon wrote: post #9

Most American companies (regulated ones, definitely) can't dare to touch any Chinese models, though they knew that it makes perfect economic sense. Until the taboo prevails, the cartel get's their flood of profit. That's a cartel protected by regulations.

>Most American companies (regulated ones, definitely) can't dare to touch any Chinese models, though they knew that it makes perfect economic sense. Weird, considering they had no issues shipping manufacturing and supply chains to China when that made economic sense.

Yes, there was a whole idea about civilizing and pacifying the world through economic cooperation that would foster middle class in countries across the world that would then in turn make them democratize and become peaceful trade partners.

It didn't quite work out so now people are looking for other strategies.