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Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by himata4113 »

colordrops wrote: post #12
himata4113 wrote: post #10

I really dislike when a tiny fraction of the conspiracy theories become true since it validates people who believe in them. But I have to admit I do have one of my own, pegasus and related spyware can gain a lot of power over politicians i.e. blackmail which makes me think about how much of our politics are based solely on the fact that politicians often find themselves exploiting their powers and then possibly getti…

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It's mostly about X conspiracy theory turned out to be true, so the Y conspiracy must be true! The fact that it even has to be a conspiracy theory that later gets validated is what annoys me, asking questions is okay, claiming conspiracy as fact is not.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by basilgohar »

sndgndgndgndy wrote: post #14
mupuff1234 wrote: post #7

Israel would be deeply impacted by the results of the negotiations, so is this surprising or unexpected? Any nation including the US would most likely do the same in a similar scenario over what is considered to be almost existential negotiations.

It would be a massive scandal if any of our other allies were conducting this level of spying on our country's senior leadership, for the sole purpose of manipulating their decision processes to the foreign ally's benefit. Israel needs to learn to play by the rules.

From its start Israel's existence has been about not playing by the rules. The days are numbered for Israel because it's not and never has been a sustainable enterprise and its exploitation of the American people and US taxpayer money is catching-up to it faster than it can damage control it away or come-up with more and more creative ways to pay people to call label criticism of Israel a hate crime.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by paulsutter »

The Snowden disclosures revealed that the US was regularly spying on Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Japan, South Korea, Brazil, Mexico, the EU, and the UN. Also of course the CIA was spying on Congress.

One can only imagine that many of these countries were also spying on us in various capacities, albeit with fewer resources. Israel is a bigger concern because they're extremely good at it, but I'm sure it's nothing new.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by rolph »

Aboutplants wrote: post #8

Legitimate question, what would Israel need that we don’t already openly provide?

combat is a dynamic situation, if you have no idea what its participants can/cant/will/wont do, you cant formulate prevailing tactics.

situational awareness is best when first hand, as someone may be lying to you, or may not even know what they are doing in the first place.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by make3 »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #7

Israel would be deeply impacted by the results of the negotiations, so is this surprising or unexpected? Any nation including the US would most likely do the same in a similar scenario over what is considered to be almost existential negotiations.

I don't think we can assume that easily that it's perfectly normal to spy on allies, especially when one ally is the biggest military power in history, & their direct sole protector

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Post by lazyasciiart »

colordrops wrote: post #12
himata4113 wrote: post #10

I really dislike when a tiny fraction of the conspiracy theories become true since it validates people who believe in them. But I have to admit I do have one of my own, pegasus and related spyware can gain a lot of power over politicians i.e. blackmail which makes me think about how much of our politics are based solely on the fact that politicians often find themselves exploiting their powers and then possibly getti…

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I hate that people will take “political blackmail is real” and jump to “the moon landing wasn’t real”

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by MilnerRoute »

basilgohar wrote: post #16
Aboutplants wrote: post #8

Legitimate question, what would Israel need that we don’t already openly provide?

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UPDATED COMMENT: Wikipedia says the 1967 attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was "a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity," according to both U.S. and Israeli governments. (Though they also note people who question that conclusion...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

WaxProlix wrote: post #15
lazystar wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or more likely, like we the public do not have the full context of whats going on behind the scenes.

Yeah, I have to imagine Donald Trump has better intel and is making wise, measured, well-informed decisions beyond the abilities of your average HNer.

Where is the proof that Iran was going to attack the US? I mean real proof and not just saber rattling.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by lazyasciiart »

make3 wrote: post #25
mupuff1234 wrote: post #7

Israel would be deeply impacted by the results of the negotiations, so is this surprising or unexpected? Any nation including the US would most likely do the same in a similar scenario over what is considered to be almost existential negotiations.

I don't think we can assume that easily that it's perfectly normal to spy on allies, especially when one ally is the biggest military power in history, & their direct sole protector

The US has consistently spied on allies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_espionage_in_Aus...

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by onemoresoop »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #7

Israel would be deeply impacted by the results of the negotiations, so is this surprising or unexpected? Any nation including the US would most likely do the same in a similar scenario over what is considered to be almost existential negotiations.

Dude, the Epstein scandal is just the tip of the iceberg. It goes way deeper than that
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