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VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by hntiz »

I think, just from a purely build-step point of view, it's been evident that tools like Vite, Bun, etc. have achieved all they meaningfully can. If I was the creator of these tools, I've move on too. Good luck and thanks for everything.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by yurishimo »

pier25 wrote: post #8

Weird situation for Vue. The Nuxt guys and Eduardo (creator of vue-router, pinia, etc) are working at Vercel while Evan is now at Cloudflare.

Vue has always handled things well when dealing with cross framework stuff due to their back and forth with Angular for being the go-to number 2.

I’m confident that things will be well maintained for an open ecosystem. Evan is smart enough to know that tying the core technology too much to one platform will create more problems than it solves in the long term.

That said, I’m excited to see if Evan can delivery another massive win for web developers everywhere now that he has access to more funding.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by epolanski »

rvz wrote: post #7

This is what happens when developers do not pay for their tools. Companies instead take full control over it and the team then loses their independence. Just like Bun, Astral and Astro, did VoidZero ever make any money? If not then this is why open source alone is unsustainable, especially in the age of AI.

Why not setup proper no profit foundations instead of VC-funded for profits then?

I think major projects that are core to the infrastructure should get financing and donations from the major tech companies benefitting.

I'm not saying my solution would work, maybe I'm being naive and unaware of the realities of most of these projects.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #19
holistio wrote: post #6

Do we have any chance left of using software for our work without Big Tech behind it?

Yes. Pay for software from independent developers and small businesses. The entire reason big tech is where it is is because nobody wants to pay for software, and big tech is the way to make money off of "free" software. Software developers need money to eat, so this is the inevitable result of demanding everything for free. Actions meet consequences.

While this is the idealist point of view, if you earn 100K a year from open source work - and that's already the top 0.1% if not less of open source developers - and a company comes around to buy you out for $10 million plus a 300K / year job (for example)... open source etc just can't compete.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#26

Post by yurishimo »

bakugo wrote: post #9

Alright, so, how long until the current Vite codebase is replaced by a vibe coded Rust port? I give it a month or two.

Huh? Vite is already powered by a huge Rust codebase now that the release of v8.0 is live. They spent years developing their own parser and tooling to make it all possible.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by embedding-shape »

> Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. And a better Internet is an open Internet. Developers need choice, frameworks need a neutral foundation, and applications need to be portable. It is not reasonable to expect the entire web ecosystem to build around a single vendor.

Already at this point, I start thinking that they're turning Vite into a foundation, or donating it to the Linux Foundation, or something like that. "foundation" is mentioned 10 times in total in various ways, but then some actual foundation creation/handover never came up. Even when they themselves state how important it is developers have choice and everything shouldn't centralized around a single vendor. Deeply ironic.

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