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If AI data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret?

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Re: If AI data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret?

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They're being built in as much secret as possible because everything is. Everything about land development is adversarial and the people who keep their mouths shut wind up taking fewer 4-7 figure screwings along the way than the honest people. It sucks that this how it is but even just the most casual familiarity with all the rules and processes makes it obvious why this is the way it is. You could find more than eno…

Is "keeping your mouth shut" dishonesty?

Re: If AI data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret?

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But it’s not just ideological. The facts are, even with great strides in efficiency, datacenters use a TON of water and electricity. And without fail that results in increased prices for the local communities who see almost no benefit from these datacenters. Ironically the very same people profiting most off of them are the ones saying they’re going to leave the country if they’re forced to pay anything resembling a…

> datacenters use a TON of water and electricity We have a shortage of neither.

Who is "we"?? Some places do have water shortages. And regardless of whether the power goes out or not, more power consumption = higher prices + more pollution.

Re: If AI data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret?

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it’s not just ideological. The facts are, even with great strides in efficiency, datacenters use a TON of water and electricity. And without fail that results in increased prices for the local communities who see almost no benefit from these datacenters. Ironically the very same people profiting most off of them are the ones saying they’re going to leave the country if they’re forced to pay anything resembling a…

Data centers use very little water, right down to none if they want. And state-of-the-art hyperscale data centers really are operated by AIs.

This is false. Evaporative cooling systems consume significant amounts of water and do not reuse it. They can't anyway, recondensing the water would release all the heat they removed by evaporating it.

Re: If AI data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data centers use very little water, right down to none if they want. And state-of-the-art hyperscale data centers really are operated by AIs.

Source on that water claim? Everything I've seen suggests the opposite.

You believe lies, 99% of data shows that data centers do not use appreciable amounts of water compared to almond farms, or gold courses, or bog standard lawns.

https://tech.yahoo.com/science/articles/data-centers-less-wa...

Re: If AI data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret?

#27

What is the advantage to not keeping them a secret? The populist movement against AI is growing rapidly, and is supported by bunk science which affirms people's pre-existing biases (like the idea that data centers suck up all the water in a community, or raise the ambient temperature by a single-double digit number of degrees F). AI is a genuine source of economic growth. I can understand wanting to curtail it, but i…

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Re: If AI data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data centers use very little water, right down to none if they want. And state-of-the-art hyperscale data centers really are operated by AIs.

This is false. Evaporative cooling systems consume significant amounts of water and do not reuse it. They can't anyway, recondensing the water would release all the heat they removed by evaporating it.

You don't have to evaporatively cool a data center. You can make a direct trade between energy efficiency and water consumption.

Re: If AI data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret?

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The less NIMBYs are involved or aware of any infrastructure project, the better. Is that even a question? They ruined enough opportunities and wealth in the last decades.

some of these projects impact surrounding homes and businesses. NIMBYs should definitely be aware and involved

Re: If AI data centers are so great, why are they being built in secret?

#30

To stop assholes from bombing them

We didn't have known datacenters bombed till now I mean yes, Amazon servers in the middle east aren't doing great, but I guess it's not what you're talking about

It was included in what I was talking about. Why would you publicise something that just paints a big target.
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