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Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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It's surprising that they're not doing that systematically around the building, but then again I guess that applies to a large part of the city as well. One always wonders which incredible books we lost, from amazing mysterious old philosophers. The burning of the library of Alexandria is such an incredible sadness

Excavation with our soon-to-be-outdated techniques is needless destruction. We should only excavate what is about to be destroyed. ( And we shouldn't destroy stuff just to put up yet another shitty modern building. )

> now Paris wants to soften the hot, bare square in front of it with trees and shade.

It's not a building.

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"Twenty centuries are stacked in 4 meters (13 feet) of earth — or about the height of two-and-a-half Napoleon Bonapartes standing on top of one another." Way to get history wrong in your story about history.

The author should’ve known that we already have an accepted unit for measuring things in terms of a person’s stature:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot

Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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The book Paris, 1200 is pretty good read for anyone interested in 'point in time' history: > Paris in 1200 was a city in transition. The great cathedral of Notre Dame was halfway through its construction and walls were being built to enclose the new, larger limits of the city. Pope Innocent III ordered all French churches closed to punish King Philip Augustus for his remarriage; the king himself negotiated an unprece…

Awesome book. Students were already gaming the system as extremists in 1200 Paris.

> (the cleric students were) marked by the tonsure, which granted them two major privileges:

> the privilegium canonis, protected their persons, which were regarded as sacred. Any physical violence against them entailed excommunication, which could only be lifted after severe penance. One did not mistreat a cleric without exposing oneself to serious consequences.

> The second was the privilegium fori, which placed clerics under the sole jurisdiction of ecclesiastical courts... Philip Augustus is said to have observed the boldness of clerics who rushed into the fray brandishing swords, yet wearing neither armour nor helmets. Hardly surprising, when a shaved head offered better protection than a helmet.

Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excavation with our soon-to-be-outdated techniques is needless destruction. We should only excavate what is about to be destroyed. ( And we shouldn't destroy stuff just to put up yet another shitty modern building. )

> now Paris wants to soften the hot, bare square in front of it with trees and shade. It's not a building.

It was a general point.

Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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There was already a museum of a Roman era settlement out in the plaza. It's somewhat confusingly named the Archeological Crypt, but it's not the crypt of the Notre Dame Cathedral. (The Cathedral doesn't have a crypt; I think the water table is too low to allow there to be significant spaces below the level of the nearby river.)

So I'm unclear on exactly what this dig is. I get the impression that it's around the edge of the plaza. Perhaps it will be incorporated into the The Crypte Archéologique de l'İle de la Cité?

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"Twenty centuries are stacked in 4 meters (13 feet) of earth — or about the height of two-and-a-half Napoleon Bonapartes standing on top of one another." Way to get history wrong in your story about history.

Or about 1/27th of a football field for the Americans

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Not to engage in whataboutism, but every major power or even near-peer power has engaged in those types of atrocities. We like to talk about international law, but anyone who has paid attention understands that the only international law that exists is power.

I wish it were different, but the language they spoke back then was conquest, and every nation and ethnicity spoke that language, and embraced it. And they weren't just unaliving people. They were having their way with the women and unaliving the male children. The Arabs did this. The Persians did this. The Europeans did this. The Asians did this. Everyone.

There's a reason why 0.5% of the male global population today has Genghis Khan's DNA.

I'm not white, but it boggles my mind how modern society has been so radicalized and brainwashed that a particular segment of our population actually thinks white people are the only people in history that have done this.

But yeah, the French...

Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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"Twenty centuries are stacked in 4 meters (13 feet) of earth — or about the height of two-and-a-half Napoleon Bonapartes standing on top of one another." Way to get history wrong in your story about history.

Or about 1/27th of a football field for the Americans

Comparing a height to a distance is pretty silly, for Americans and non-Americans alike. Also it's much closer to 1/23rd than 1/27th.
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