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Are blue zones real? Answering that question is harder then ever

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Re: Are blue zones real? Answering that question is harder then ever

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Blue zones were always just eat healthy, exercise, and having friends. I believe that these things almost certainly help longevity as a number of independent studies into each of these show that, and it’s intuitively obvious

Community is the one that I feel is most under threat these days...

Re: Are blue zones real? Answering that question is harder then ever

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A 2024 Ig Nobel was awarded to work debunking Blue Zones. IMO the whole concept is one of those Occam’s razors that proves especially sharp. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/ioe/news/2024/sep/ucl-demographers-wor...

> Dr Newman showed that the highest rates of achieving extreme old age are predicted by high poverty, the lack of birth certificates, and fewer 90-year-olds. Poverty and pressure to commit pension fraud were shown to be excellent indicators of reaching ages 100+ in a way that is ‘the opposite of rational expectations’.

Blue Zones absolutely destroyed.

Re: Are blue zones real? Answering that question is harder then ever

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A 2024 Ig Nobel was awarded to work debunking Blue Zones. IMO the whole concept is one of those Occam’s razors that proves especially sharp. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/ioe/news/2024/sep/ucl-demographers-wor...

I can't tell if it's a feature or a flaw of academia that some topics can so be thoroughly proven/disproven, and yet so many researchers continue to devote their careers to it. Should more effort be given to enforcing existing knowledge and consensus, or is preserving intellectual freedom more important? Granted, I understand Blue Zone stuff is mostly due to marketing incentives...

Re: Are blue zones real? Answering that question is harder then ever

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Longevity research is the most overhyped, commercially driven scam and fraud hotspot in modern science. Anti-aging docs and researchers print beaucoup bucks milking the rich narcissistic boomer cow who doesn't want to age, can't accept their mortality and is willing to spend a fortune trying to stave off the inevitable. > In 2021, Adventist Health used the blue zones brand to market a $600 million Miami luxury tower…

It was writer Bill Porter who said it best "The single best thing to increase longevity is to reduce stress.". This was in response to an anecdotal observation that a lot of Chinese hermits that lived in the mountains had exceptional life spans.

I mean they are fairly active, eat fairly lean meals and don't have much constant stress, so they are ideal conditions for longevity.

Re: Are blue zones real? Answering that question is harder then ever

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A 2024 Ig Nobel was awarded to work debunking Blue Zones. IMO the whole concept is one of those Occam’s razors that proves especially sharp. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/ioe/news/2024/sep/ucl-demographers-wor...

I can't tell if it's a feature or a flaw of academia that some topics can so be thoroughly proven/disproven, and yet so many researchers continue to devote their careers to it. Should more effort be given to enforcing existing knowledge and consensus, or is preserving intellectual freedom more important? Granted, I understand Blue Zone stuff is mostly due to marketing incentives...

I can't tell if you think academia is "enforcing existing knowledge and consensus" or "preserving intellectual freedom"...

My personal take is that academia is doing very well on the former, and not much on the latter.

Re: Are blue zones real? Answering that question is harder then ever

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Blue zones were always just eat healthy, exercise, and having friends. I believe that these things almost certainly help longevity as a number of independent studies into each of these show that, and it’s intuitively obvious

> eat healthy

It sounds so simple, yet incredibly controversial when we go into the details.

The people actually living up to 100+ years usually have been drinking/smoking or doing some other drugs to some extent, and that alone is a whole can of worm in the current climate.

> having friends

They are many unreported elderlies living alone in the middle of nowhere minding their business. I remember a documentary about a guy growing mushrooms (Shiitake) in the forest and only getting down to the town every 6 months to give them to his wife, and he'd get back to being alone until the next time.

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