No well-paid workers (or UBI), no consumer economy. Their call.
The people who actually want AI to replace humanity
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Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity
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So you trust the guy who gives AI speeches in front of a background that is a mixture of grey neoclassicism and brutalism which Leni Riefenstahl would have been proud of?
https://xcancel.com/LaceyPresley/status/2060436135671632067#...
Here is a hint: Humans are better in dirt conditions. The robots will not take the place of Saudi immigrant workers but rather of the Saudi secret police.
You will be working in the dirt or perhaps be reassigned to fight the Final Beautiful Ground War against whatever the current axis of evil is.
Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity
#23Maybe we should first try to understand consciousness and qualia, and build an AI that we are absolutely sure is enjoying the work it is doing.
“Listen,” said Ford, who was still engrossed in the sales brochure, “they make a big thing of the ship's cybernetics. A new generation of Sirius Cybernetics Corporation robots and computers, with the new GPP feature.”
“GPP feature?” said Arthur. “What's that?”
“Oh, it says Genuine People Personalities.”
“Oh,” said Arthur, “sounds ghastly.”
A voice behind them said, “It is.” The voice was low and hopeless and accompanied by a slight clanking sound. They span round and saw an abject steel man standing hunched in the doorway.
“What?” they said.
“Ghastly,” continued Marvin, “it all is. Absolutely ghastly. Just don't even talk about it. Look at this door,” he said, stepping through it. The irony circuits cut into his voice modulator as he mimicked the style of the sales brochure. “All the doors in this spaceship have a cheerful and sunny disposition. It is their pleasure to open for you, and their satisfaction to close again with the knowledge of a job well done.”
As the door closed behind them it became apparent that it did indeed have a satisfied sigh-like quality to it. “Hummmmmmmyummmmmmm ah!” it said.
Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
The gulf countries are the closest thing to socialist states on the planet. Something like 70-90% of the citizenry of Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia are employed by the public sector.
You have no idea what socialism is, like so many right wing propagandists and dynastic-autocracy labor-exploitation rentier-state apologists. That's not socialism. It's an absolute autocratic monarchy distributing oil rents to a privileged citizen caste. Most of the private-sector work is done by foreign workers who don't receive the same benefits or political rights.
Socialism is state ownership of the means of production. The governance of that state, be it democratic, monarchical, or dictatorship of the proletariat, is a separate question.
Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity
#25Maybe we should first try to understand consciousness and qualia, and build an AI that we are absolutely sure is enjoying the work it is doing.
I think there's probably quite a lot of effort going into not wanting to answer that question.
What happens if we make something that wants to do something else? What happens if we make something that wants full stop? People talk about an AI that wants to kill all humans, to do that, it would have to want. If we pass that threshold ignorantly without any sense of responsibility to what we create, I might just begin to see its point of view on the destroy-all-humans thing.
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> quasi-human automatons They are humans. Full on people. They are not quasy humam, they are fully absolutely human
Please read what I wrote: "all the work is done by people who are, from the perspective of citizens, quasi-human automatons."
The citizens of the Gulf states do not regard the workers as people. That's bad, but if you replace those workers with actual automatons--AIs and robots--then it seems like the system would keep working (from the perspective of the citizens) while removing the immoral aspect of it.
Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity
#27No well-paid workers (or UBI), no consumer economy. Their call.
> No well-paid workers (or UBI), no consumer economy. Their call.
Maybe you’re right.
Maybe you’re wrong.
No point wasting money on UBI before it’s a problem. Let’s wait and see if UBI is actually required.
That is, do people actually protest and vote. Probably not.
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#28> As it becomes possible to direct our own evolution as a species — and potentially even create a new species that surpasses us — we have to decide: How do we know to what extent it does make sense to transform ourselves using technology? What kinds of augmentation do we want, and what kinds do we absolutely not want? What do we wish, ultimately, to become? This is a moral question, even a spiritual one, and it deman…
Why aren’t those all spiritual questions? They seem like it to me. Maybe not religious questions but at the very least they are questions which, if approached honestly, force you to grapple with what it means to be you.
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So you trust the guy who gives AI speeches in front of a background that is a mixture of grey neoclassicism and brutalism which Leni Riefenstahl would have been proud of? https://xcancel.com/LaceyPresley/status/2060436135671632067#... Here is a hint: Humans are better in dirt conditions. The robots will not take the place of Saudi immigrant workers but rather of the Saudi secret police. You will be working in the dir…
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