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Do U.S. Presidents Always Make This Much Money? [video]

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It's usually been 'get elected to the house and make a million on the side, elected to the senate and tens of millions on the side, elected president make a billion' By 'on the side', I mean things like book deals and at the time legal insider trading. As for making a billion after being elected president in the past it was foundations you've set up and receive donations to, not directly like trump. I think the Clint…

Saudi Arabia's donation to the Clinton Foundation is $10 million, not $1 billion. A fair chunk of change, to be sure, but two orders of magnitude different.

It was treated as a massive scandal when they received $32 million donation from the Crown Prince of Bahrain, which resulted in a meeting with Hillary Clinton.

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No, Trump's administration is straight up criminal. The guy has made ~3500 stock trades in the last 3 months, and there's a pattern of him publicly pumping stock by mentioning a company in a tweet or public statement. The problem is, the framers of the Constitution believed the American people would never elect someone so criminal and unfit, so the President is exempt from many criminal laws, including those that wou…

The framers separated the branches so the legislative, executive, and judicial balance one another. What they didn't account for was all 3 being corrupted at the same time. I've been telling friends we really don't have a defense from this. Even if we held another election the powers that be can run the same playbook again. I'm convinced the US will cease to exist as a democracy in the next 10-15 years.

The framers also proceeded to separate the legislative branch into two pieces, substantially hamstringing its ability to serve as a check on the other two branches.

They may not have been able to foresee the sheer levels of corruption we have today, but they should have been able to see that in trying to keep Congress from becoming too powerful, they made it too weak to do its job. The fact that Congress has hundreds of members, plus the veto in the executive branch, plus the Supreme Court being able to overturn legislation, was plenty to keep it in line.

It was inevitable that the executive branch would end up taking over a lot of their functions.

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No, Trump's administration is straight up criminal. The guy has made ~3500 stock trades in the last 3 months, and there's a pattern of him publicly pumping stock by mentioning a company in a tweet or public statement. The problem is, the framers of the Constitution believed the American people would never elect someone so criminal and unfit, so the President is exempt from many criminal laws, including those that wou…

The framers separated the branches so the legislative, executive, and judicial balance one another. What they didn't account for was all 3 being corrupted at the same time. I've been telling friends we really don't have a defense from this. Even if we held another election the powers that be can run the same playbook again. I'm convinced the US will cease to exist as a democracy in the next 10-15 years.

The intended defense is that we all march on Washington armed to the teeth and shoot dead every last politician standing and start over.

Of course that made a lot more sense in the 18th century than it does in the 21st, we tend to view states that routinely engage in violent coups as failures, and the man who famously said of Shay's Rebellion that "the tree of liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of tyrants and patriots" ran from Monticello like a coward when the British showed up and left its defense to his slaves.

But the last line of defense is supposed to be "we just kill them all." What the founders didn't anticipate was that the militias would side with the tyrants, or that society and its morals would advance to the point where political violence was no longer seen as a noble act except by extremists.

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#24
First off, say a private prayer of thanks that the core of the current reactionary movement is operating as a scaled up dropship scam. Intellectually and organizationally focused, the end product would rival or even dwarf the great autocracies of the 20th century[1].

As we stand now, the disassembly and selloff of the state (or direct destruction of same) is probably overtaking our ability to act in an expansionist capacity, or even to assemble and coordinate the considerable overhead required of an actual autocracy, that's purely internally.

More pertinent to this subject, the diminishment of the USD is going hand in hand with the oligarch's exchange of assets for slices of the state, which the current executive enjoys quite unabashedly. And obviously the oligarchs feel they are getting fantastic deals, exchanging dissolving assets for monopolies on force, land, and access to state economic resources. But like the liquidation of the USSR by the Soviet security apparatus, tycoon and grifter alike will be more than a little dismayed to see how rapidly both dollars and "state power" lose their sheen when the underlying national context is destroyed.

Particularly since the vaporization of national context is by no means a universal or global phenomenon. I do wonder how well the balkanized techno-feudal dream works when confronted with the reality of, say, China, or even a monolithic domestic block, like the Mormons.

[1] Except today is today, and not the early 20th century. Rather than learning the West's harsh lessons at the hands of B-17s and the Red Army, the United States (and a lot of the northern hemisphere) would learn the same by way of thermonuclear bonfire.

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they're not really spineless, they're fully on board with this. This is how they hammer through everything they've been working for, the rest of us be damned.

I think it depends on the individual. There are plenty who earlier warned about how terrible Trump was, then once he was elected jumped on the bandwagon.

> I think it depends on the individual... plenty who earlier warned about how terrible Trump was, then... jumped on the bandwagon.

That kind of says the opposite - for the vast majority of individuals, incentives matter more than their innate convictions (and we're losing those at a fast rate, thanks to modern education and entertainment...)

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Blame Harry Truman, the original presidential grifter.

how does blaming a long-dead man help anything

It doesn’t excuse Trump’s behavior in any way, but it does a lot to contextualize it and explain the systemic weaknesses that make it possible: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-truman-show.html

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#27

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It's not merely looked down upon: it's illegal. From Article II, Section 1: The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them. The President is not allowed to accept any compensation…

Unfortunately the president is in charge of the Justice department which investigates federal crimes.

This is why we should bring back private prosecution.
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