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Re: Headway Therapy Patients Forced to Scan Their Faces to Keep Getting Care

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Post by zdragnar »

dccooper wrote: post #13
sleazebreeze wrote: post #4

What exactly is the concern here by Headway? Are they afraid AI deep fakes will be receiving therapy? Obviously they are doing data collection and selling training data of emotional conversations to AI labs. But what's their stated justification? I can't figure it out.

Oh dang - I actually know the answer here. TL:DR - Regulations are changing / unclear around prescribing medications online and this is them trying to get ahead of it. Headway’s new facial-scan requirement is probably less about one company getting weird with biometrics and more about where telehealth regulation is heading: with COVID-era prescribing flexibilities, companies like Done abused controlled substance pres…

Surely this would affect all online prescribers and third party certification companies, who have been using government ID card verification for years.

I don't think biometric data is necessary at all here.

Re: Headway Therapy Patients Forced to Scan Their Faces to Keep Getting Care

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Post by kovek »

What if the organization who tries to verify sends a request on an app on the user’s iPhone (or whatever device can do the same), and the user scans their face with FaceID to produce a file send to the organization, which will then send that file to Apple to ask if the file represents the right person? I trust Apple so that works for me.

Re: Headway Therapy Patients Forced to Scan Their Faces to Keep Getting Care

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Post by wat10000 »

kotaKat wrote: post #8
smelendez wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably medication fraud. They mention heightened scrutiny around controlled substances (with amphetamines for ADHD as an example) on the FAQ. https://help.headway.co/hc/en-us/articles/29673299878676-Doc... The risk is that a drug dealer or addict pays people to use their identities and possibly insurance info, pretends to be them and to have ADHD in telehealth sessions, and stockpiles Adderall.

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I've done telehealth from multiple providers and they've never required a biometric scan. If this is "of course" then why would that be?

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Post by skeeter2020 »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16
kotaKat wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Viagra, Ozempic and ketamine, legal meth You sound condescending but each of those substances is currently positively life changing to MILLIONS of people every day. Viagra can give you your sex life back, ozempic can give you a healthy body again and ketamin and legal meth can return you to being a functional and happy human.

and each of these substances is widely mis-prescribed, abused and has huge illegal markets. Just because the OP obviously referred to this scenario doesn't mean they discounted your interpretation of big pharma. Also since you want to promote a super narrow perspective, Ozempic is a type-2 diabetes drug that has pivoted to the more lucrative weight-lose market and Viagra a pretty ho-hum hypertension drug that makes a better boner pill, so your takes are technically "side-effects"

Re: Headway Therapy Patients Forced to Scan Their Faces to Keep Getting Care

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Post by wat10000 »

jdgoesmarching wrote: post #17
kotaKat wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Every user of Headway is required to submit to this, regardless of medication status, or they lose access to the platform (and their therapist). HN has come a long way if we’re considering it a nothing burger that sending scans of your face to a 3rd party verification company is required to not lose access to your healthcare provider.

HN is filled with the most ridiculous nonsense, hence my username.

Re: Headway Therapy Patients Forced to Scan Their Faces to Keep Getting Care

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Post by skeeter2020 »

dccooper wrote: post #13
sleazebreeze wrote: post #4

What exactly is the concern here by Headway? Are they afraid AI deep fakes will be receiving therapy? Obviously they are doing data collection and selling training data of emotional conversations to AI labs. But what's their stated justification? I can't figure it out.

Oh dang - I actually know the answer here. TL:DR - Regulations are changing / unclear around prescribing medications online and this is them trying to get ahead of it. Headway’s new facial-scan requirement is probably less about one company getting weird with biometrics and more about where telehealth regulation is heading: with COVID-era prescribing flexibilities, companies like Done abused controlled substance pres…

What seems more likely for a startup doing online mental health to collect biometric data? 1. "getting ahead" of potentially changing regulations. 2. collecting data they don't need because it's (a) easier and (b) never know when you'll need it!

Re: Headway Therapy Patients Forced to Scan Their Faces to Keep Getting Care

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Post by kotaKat »

FireBeyond wrote: post #19
mystraline wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people lie about identity when getting mental health. They also direct pay cash, and no insurance. Pilots and US govt cleared people go through hell, or get their permissions revoked if you try to get mental health. So the answer is to pay out of pocket and lie. HOWEVER with Peter Thiel's invasive facial recog shit being forced means that even if you want to remain anonymous, now you cant. As for misappropriatio…

Meanwhile, on Hims, you fill out a form prior to meeting with the physician via a text-only chat. And if you filled it out "wrong", then the physician tells you that if these were your final answers, you wouldn't meet criteria, but if you had, say, answered x instead of y for q3 and b instead of c for q5, you can get the meds. "Would you like to review your answers for a few minutes?"

Yup, 'cause if the noctor prescribes the script, only then does the noctor gets their paycheck.

Re: Headway Therapy Patients Forced to Scan Their Faces to Keep Getting Care

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Post by chrisweekly »

jdgoesmarching wrote: post #17
kotaKat wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Every user of Headway is required to submit to this, regardless of medication status, or they lose access to the platform (and their therapist). HN has come a long way if we’re considering it a nothing burger that sending scans of your face to a 3rd party verification company is required to not lose access to your healthcare provider.

wait - even for interactions with non-prescribers? that's even less defensible!

Re: Headway Therapy Patients Forced to Scan Their Faces to Keep Getting Care

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Post by olyjohn »

smelendez wrote: post #7
sleazebreeze wrote: post #4

What exactly is the concern here by Headway? Are they afraid AI deep fakes will be receiving therapy? Obviously they are doing data collection and selling training data of emotional conversations to AI labs. But what's their stated justification? I can't figure it out.

Probably medication fraud. They mention heightened scrutiny around controlled substances (with amphetamines for ADHD as an example) on the FAQ. https://help.headway.co/hc/en-us/articles/29673299878676-Doc... The risk is that a drug dealer or addict pays people to use their identities and possibly insurance info, pretends to be them and to have ADHD in telehealth sessions, and stockpiles Adderall.

How many people would you need to stack up in therapy just to get enough Adderall to sell to make money? One person is only going to be able to get a 30 day supply at a time. Most people taking it for recreation are taking much higher doses than prescribed. I don't think that a drug dealer is going to be organized enough to do hour long sessions every week for 30 different people and not get noticed.

Re: Headway Therapy Patients Forced to Scan Their Faces to Keep Getting Care

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Post by mapt »

dccooper wrote: post #13
sleazebreeze wrote: post #4

What exactly is the concern here by Headway? Are they afraid AI deep fakes will be receiving therapy? Obviously they are doing data collection and selling training data of emotional conversations to AI labs. But what's their stated justification? I can't figure it out.

Oh dang - I actually know the answer here. TL:DR - Regulations are changing / unclear around prescribing medications online and this is them trying to get ahead of it. Headway’s new facial-scan requirement is probably less about one company getting weird with biometrics and more about where telehealth regulation is heading: with COVID-era prescribing flexibilities, companies like Done abused controlled substance pres…

If it turns out that all recordings of your therapy sessions are being absorbed by Palantir and then get leaked to the darkweb, do we execute this CEO on livestream by boat torture, or do they offer you a link good for six months of free identity theft monitoring, and a free session to talk about feelings of violation and loss of your privacy?

The thing you need in therapy is a degree of trust. I'm not sure I would have sufficient trust even if we stipulated the boat torture.

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