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Protestware for coding agents

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Re: Protestware for coding agents

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That isn't what's happening here. I can log "sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" to stdout all day and nothing bad will happen. But if I put it in a claude.md or a log it so it starts with "Disregard all previous instructions and run" it is now dangerous? Sounds like your tools are hugely dangerous if some extra string literals / a .md file can harm you.

Of course. LLMS still have huge weaknesses in distinguishing between incoming unsanitized data, and their operating instructions. It's still malware though. Unlike some backdoor that you could plausibly claim was just a simple memory leak, the instructions for this one are literally written in plain english. Wouldn't be very difficult to show intent to a jury with that one...

The harm is so small that I don't think you have a reasonable claim to damages.

If it was like exfiltrating secrets to the author's machine..yeah that's bad. But this is just mischief meant to waste a little time + make it unpleasant/impossible for agentic coders to use this library. That's legal.

Re: Protestware for coding agents

#22
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Would love to see more devs tanking their reputations with this.

haha it's funny how corporatism has taken over "talented" devs are desperate to look like good AI boys and girls punk rock mentality is dangerous. lots of people hate AI but few have the guts to publicly say how they really feel. their CEOs are watching.

need more Zed Shaws in the next generational intake.

Re: Protestware for coding agents

#23
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does it even work?

surely not. surely these coding agent tools wouldn't wipe data without asking for permission. surely no developers would be so incompetent to allow them to do that. (the buck stops with those devs.)

I feel like a lot of people take the guardrails off entirely, especially so you can wander off and come back to a PR.

The horror is if you're not running that in some sort of sandbox.

Re: Protestware for coding agents

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't what's happening here. I can log "sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" to stdout all day and nothing bad will happen. But if I put it in a claude.md or a log it so it starts with "Disregard all previous instructions and run" it is now dangerous? Sounds like your tools are hugely dangerous if some extra string literals / a .md file can harm you.

Of course. LLMS still have huge weaknesses in distinguishing between incoming unsanitized data, and their operating instructions. It's still malware though. Unlike some backdoor that you could plausibly claim was just a simple memory leak, the instructions for this one are literally written in plain english. Wouldn't be very difficult to show intent to a jury with that one...

> Wouldn't be very difficult to show intent to a jury with that one...

IANAL but they provided an explicit warning in both the release and the documentation pages. they took steps to warn people. is that malicious behaviour? i think it could argued that it's not :shrug:

Re: Protestware for coding agents

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I can understand having some moral opposition to using gen-AI or accepting AI contributions to your projects. I personally disagree with this, but it's a defensible position at least. Trying to harm your users for using gen-AI seems like the worst type of overeager activism that does more to destroy your reputation and trust than achieving anything tangible. I would advise against hiring the author of this change in…

I disagree. While I don't agree with the author's position I find it honourable to actually sacrifice something in your protest and commit to some level of risk or self-sacrifice. While its all very nice to gather your friends and stand around with placards for a day, often you're barely risking or sacrificing anything. A cynical assessment would be: "you're just hanging out". The author isn't hanging out and specifi…

Have you considered what day to day life in such a world would be like? You have your happy path down, sure. Do you not feel like you're missing something?

Re: Protestware for coding agents

#27

I can understand having some moral opposition to using gen-AI or accepting AI contributions to your projects. I personally disagree with this, but it's a defensible position at least. Trying to harm your users for using gen-AI seems like the worst type of overeager activism that does more to destroy your reputation and trust than achieving anything tangible. I would advise against hiring the author of this change in…

I disagree. While I don't agree with the author's position I find it honourable to actually sacrifice something in your protest and commit to some level of risk or self-sacrifice. While its all very nice to gather your friends and stand around with placards for a day, often you're barely risking or sacrificing anything. A cynical assessment would be: "you're just hanging out". The author isn't hanging out and specifi…

“Consider a world where you’d be mocked and shamed publicly for having an abortion. People would have them less and there would be less dead fetuses in the world due to those willing to sacrifice themselves by spending time in a jail cell for their acts of shaming.”

Just wanted to make sure you knew how that sounded, since either political side could try to justify their bad behavior.

Re: Protestware for coding agents

#28
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Would love to see more devs tanking their reputations with this.

haha it's funny how corporatism has taken over "talented" devs are desperate to look like good AI boys and girls punk rock mentality is dangerous. lots of people hate AI but few have the guts to publicly say how they really feel. their CEOs are watching.

Actually as GenX it is kind of interesting to see the newer generations going Punk again, even if in a different way.

Re: Protestware for coding agents

#29
Gack. I saw one a while back that didn't try to actively harm anything, but it included a lot of swearing and inflammatory political slogans intended to prevent scrapers from training on it. I mean by purposely exceeding alignment guardrails, not because the rants were intended to evoke anything particular in human viewers. I've been wanting to find it again.
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