Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Social Animus

justine.lol

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 131 posts

Re: Social Animus

#21

Post by stratos123 »

troosevelt wrote: post #8
armchairhacker wrote: post #6

I have to ask the other side: why is this person so controversial? The only thing I'm aware of: she posted a very weird petition to appoint Eric Shmidt as "CEO of America" ( https://9to5google.com/2014/03/20/occupy-wall-street-co-foun... ) and told people to read Curtis Yarvin, in 2014. EDIT: lobste.rs context: https://lobste.rs/c/hjlmw1

There are a lot of examples in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46889008 eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46890435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46892447 Yarvin believes in a world where the upper class (monarchy) runs everything. It's a pretty controversial take to support them from somebody who themselves has faced discrimination. I think Justine might be out of touch with people who…

Some of the reactions to this are slightly unfair because it looks like Justine (who I'm not familiar with) supported Moldbug in 2014. It was only in around 2020 when Yarvin sold out, did a 180 in his views, and became a Trumpist; in the early 2010s, he would write long posts about how populism inevitably leads to fascism, any entity who wants power cannot ever be trusted with it, etc. His political views back then were far weirder than what people probably think - e.g. he thought a dictator needs to be simultaneously secure and yet overseen by a board of directors with power to replace the dictator, using some galaxy-brained setup I don't really understand.

Hence, recommending Curtis Yarvin in 2014 is rather eyebrow-raising but a very different thing from recommending him now.

Re: Social Animus

#23

Post by xhevahir »

armchairhacker wrote: post #6

I have to ask the other side: why is this person so controversial? The only thing I'm aware of: she posted a very weird petition to appoint Eric Shmidt as "CEO of America" ( https://9to5google.com/2014/03/20/occupy-wall-street-co-foun... ) and told people to read Curtis Yarvin, in 2014. EDIT: lobste.rs context: https://lobste.rs/c/hjlmw1

There's plenty of reading material about her controversies:

https://unherd.com/2019/02/techs-dark-overlords/?edition=us

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rogue-occupy-wall-street-account-...

https://web.archive.org/web/20140802022307/http://valleywag....

Then there's her interview with Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes: https://youtu.be/LXVWLA5eKO0?si=V37wz5NicRd0r_wD

Re: Social Animus

#24

Post by sdevonoes »

dreambuffer wrote: post #15

This post resonates with my situation very much, although I have not made even a tiny fraction of the contributions this person has. I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble. That being said, and speaking from my own experience, one can develop ego problems…

> I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble.

I don’t think so. I think what happens is that people believe in meritocracy or karma or universal justice. Generally, one cannot rely on that. You make one mistake and then another and you are out, no matter how much goodness you have done. It’s a hard pill to swallow. It’s absurd, but we must keep pushing the rock and be happy (or else the alternative is s…)

Re: Social Animus

#25

Post by akoboldfrying »

pushcx wrote: post #14

> when I saw someone complain about what he thought the title should be, I just used his idea instead of my own. This upset the moderator so much when he saw that I was optimizing my writing style based on feedback from his site I was unaware the blog copied my title change until seeing this on HN and I have no emotional reaction to it. I've replaced over a hundred clickbait titles and it's not an emotionally evocati…

Your linked comment comes across to me in much the same way as TFA: seething with bitterness kept just beneath the surface, channeled into a style that projects authority and precision.

This is pure passive aggression:

> To ease her confusion and conscience, and in the hopes of dealing with less trolling, I have banned her domain.

I then read the links in that post, and some of the comments in the Lobsters thread, including by someone now appearing as "inactive-user". I think the points inactive-user made about the distinction between bannable and benign actions being somewhat arbitrary and footgun-ish are sound. At the same time, user matklad pointed out that the subsequent behaviour of Justine's invitees (namely, posting many more articles from their own sites) was exactly what the bans were designed to prevent, which I agree with.

I do accept that a forum like Lobsters (or HN) is beset on all sides by spammers whose participation, if left unchecked, threatens their very existence. So it's unfortunately necessary to have and enforce rules, which will inevitably be imperfect.

For now I've concluded that two people on opposite sides of a really quite small argument about a grey area were looking for a fight, and that both took actions to escalate it.

Re: Social Animus

#26

Post by cassepipe »

MisterTea wrote: post #11
troosevelt wrote: post #2

I feel like it is a very great privilege to be able to post this to Hacker News, soliciting donations. I was out of work for the longest time (thankfully, I finally found some). I too have disadvantages, I have a few mental disorders which make living not the easiest and the world is not made for people who are different in any way. I've contributed to HN in the past, have plenty of stuff on Github but I do not have…

> I've noticed in past threads these are brought up but she does not address them, which strikes me as lacking the courage that she usually has. The reason is a massive ego problem they refuse to address. Reading this difficult to follow rant also reveals they no clue what it means to be humble.

I don't think people have to be humble if they are proud of what they have produced and get recognition to validate them. I am much more concerned by her holding views that are in favor of hurting others.

Re: Social Animus

#27

Post by [deleted] »

stratos123 wrote: post #21
troosevelt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of examples in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46889008 eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46890435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46892447 Yarvin believes in a world where the upper class (monarchy) runs everything. It's a pretty controversial take to support them from somebody who themselves has faced discrimination. I think Justine might be out of touch with people who…

Some of the reactions to this are slightly unfair because it looks like Justine (who I'm not familiar with) supported Moldbug in 2014 . It was only in around 2020 when Yarvin sold out, did a 180 in his views, and became a Trumpist; in the early 2010s, he would write long posts about how populism inevitably leads to fascism, any entity who wants power cannot ever be trusted with it, etc. His political views back then…

[deleted]

Re: Social Animus

#28

Post by manytimesaway »

troosevelt wrote: post #8
armchairhacker wrote: post #6

I have to ask the other side: why is this person so controversial? The only thing I'm aware of: she posted a very weird petition to appoint Eric Shmidt as "CEO of America" ( https://9to5google.com/2014/03/20/occupy-wall-street-co-foun... ) and told people to read Curtis Yarvin, in 2014. EDIT: lobste.rs context: https://lobste.rs/c/hjlmw1

There are a lot of examples in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46889008 eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46890435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46892447 Yarvin believes in a world where the upper class (monarchy) runs everything. It's a pretty controversial take to support them from somebody who themselves has faced discrimination. I think Justine might be out of touch with people who…

This person has a massive ego, too. Starting by putting her name everywhere...

Re: Social Animus

#29

Post by adampunk »

stratos123 wrote: post #21
troosevelt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of examples in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46889008 eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46890435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46892447 Yarvin believes in a world where the upper class (monarchy) runs everything. It's a pretty controversial take to support them from somebody who themselves has faced discrimination. I think Justine might be out of touch with people who…

Some of the reactions to this are slightly unfair because it looks like Justine (who I'm not familiar with) supported Moldbug in 2014 . It was only in around 2020 when Yarvin sold out, did a 180 in his views, and became a Trumpist; in the early 2010s, he would write long posts about how populism inevitably leads to fascism, any entity who wants power cannot ever be trusted with it, etc. His political views back then…

It’s hardly a 180 to go from supporting a dictator in general to picking one in particular. Yarvin is the kind of reactionary who appealed to to the kind of person who intellectualized themselves out of understanding what reactionary politics leads to. When it led to that it was easier to say that Yarvin sold out and changed rather than reckon with the fact that no course change happened.

Re: Social Animus

#30

Post by [deleted] »

troosevelt wrote: post #2

I feel like it is a very great privilege to be able to post this to Hacker News, soliciting donations. I was out of work for the longest time (thankfully, I finally found some). I too have disadvantages, I have a few mental disorders which make living not the easiest and the world is not made for people who are different in any way. I've contributed to HN in the past, have plenty of stuff on Github but I do not have…

[deleted]
Post reply on HN