Just ban LLM. It's events for human beings, not LLMs.
Agreed, it is not a AstroTurf marketing event for hype.
zig is a cool language, and worth learning about. =3
About LLMs at Zig Days
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Re: About LLMs at Zig Days
#22Approaching significant change with humanity asks us to have empathy for many emotions at once. With respect to LLMs & other generative models those include but aren't limited to: * Excitement from people who are able to make things they could not, * Fear from people who's livelihoods are threatened, * Betrayal from artists whose work is being ripped off, * Alarm from activists looking out for ecosystems & the climat…
Let me fix your logical fallacy of composition: " * Excitement from people who are able to [unaccountably plagerize] things they could not, * Fear from people who's [business IP rights] are threatened, * [overt copyright theft from] artists [and chat bot users] whose work is being ripped off, * [well funded denigration of] activists looking out for ecosystems & the climate. " Thankfully LLM are not real "AI", and mod…
Why do people insist on using extreme rhetoric like this? If you don't personally like using LLMs, that's fine. The only point this comment serves is to stir the pot.
Using your first example, if it was true and universally accepted that this was plaigerism--we wouldn't use it, now would we? But that's not the universal opinion so instead you're just twisting someone else's comment to stir the pot.
Again, if you don't personally like LLMs and you personally feel like it's plagiarism cool, don't use them. Or at least make an argument for it.
But as it stands, this comment is just low-effort trolling.
Re: About LLMs at Zig Days
#23Just ban LLM. It's events for human beings, not LLMs.
There's an irony in your comment. On one hand, it's clearly starkly anti-LLM, but on the other hand, you treat humans and LLMs as similar categories, accepting a strong pro-AI framing.
You would never say "events are for humans, not search engines" as if search engines were a similar category to humans.
Re: About LLMs at Zig Days
#24Just ban LLM. It's events for human beings, not LLMs.
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Re: About LLMs at Zig Days
#25This is so sad. "Maybe - just maybe" > [...] the best career move is to become proficient at buying more tokens orchestrating agents, but I would still recommend not putting all your eggs in one basket just yet because maybe – just maybe – there will still be some value in knowing how systems work, both to differentiate yourself from other developers career-wise, and as part of effective LLM steering.
This should be read sarcastically. Its an idiom in the US. You state something you view as obviously true while qualifying it with "maybe - just maybe". Its commonly said in a comedic tone.
Re: About LLMs at Zig Days
#26Just ban LLM. It's events for human beings, not LLMs.
I like the idea of "it's not about LLMs" better as a starting point. For example, someone could peel off from a shared coding session, ask an LLM to try a concept, then bring that LLM chat to the group to explore (and then yes close that window and go back to face-to-face). Make more efficient use of the face-to-face time. You could be right but I can think of numerous frustrating code jams in my past when we burned…
> You could be right but I can think of numerous frustrating code jams in my past when we burned a lot of precious face-to-face time on fussy setup or other fiddly stuff.
Agreed, LLMs are particularly good at this kind of task.
For example: my windowing system on Linux would intermittently freeze. Diagnosing it was a pain--so I bounced the logs off the LLM. It gave me a couple of hypotheses and the commands to enable the correct logs for when it happened again. After the third time it happened, it pinpointed that a particular USB hub was causing the issue. I removed the devices downstream from that hub and haven't had an issue since.
Re: About LLMs at Zig Days
#27Just ban LLM. It's events for human beings, not LLMs.
I like the idea of "it's not about LLMs" better as a starting point. For example, someone could peel off from a shared coding session, ask an LLM to try a concept, then bring that LLM chat to the group to explore (and then yes close that window and go back to face-to-face). Make more efficient use of the face-to-face time. You could be right but I can think of numerous frustrating code jams in my past when we burned…
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Re: About LLMs at Zig Days
#28This is so sad. "Maybe - just maybe" > [...] the best career move is to become proficient at buying more tokens orchestrating agents, but I would still recommend not putting all your eggs in one basket just yet because maybe – just maybe – there will still be some value in knowing how systems work, both to differentiate yourself from other developers career-wise, and as part of effective LLM steering.
This should be read sarcastically. Its an idiom in the US. You state something you view as obviously true while qualifying it with "maybe - just maybe". Its commonly said in a comedic tone.
When it's spoken .. sure.. but as I read it, I wasn't so sure anymore.
Re: About LLMs at Zig Days
#29>My recommendation is also to not choose an extreme approach (e.g. by completely banning LLM-related discourse) unless you feel very strongly about it. Organizers are allowed to ban the mention of certain programming topics? I could understand if it was a topic that was adjacent to violence/harassment/sensitive stuff, but come on... are anti-AI groups becoming a cult?
I think you misread that. He's recommending not completely banning the subject.
the part the parent appears to be commenting on is:
"[...] unless you feel very strongly about it."
i.e. complete ban is okay if the organizer feels very strongly about it.
Re: About LLMs at Zig Days
#30Just ban LLM. It's events for human beings, not LLMs.
That's like saying ban IDEs. Or ban search engines.
LLM is just a tool that humans use to create things.