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Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by kragen »

d0mine wrote: post #10

I see no reason to worry more than before. Has anyone read MS Windows EULA? EDIT: * Facebook has millions of users, its TOS allows it to do anything with your data. If you don't accept the TOS you can't use the service. * MS Windows has millions of users, its EULA allows it to do anything with your data. If you don't accept the EULA you can't use the OS.

I am fairly sure that you are just mistaken. For example, Microsoft Windows's EULA does not, as far as I know, grant Microsoft any copyright license in your data. Maybe you can show me where I'm wrong?

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by electromagnetic »

twopoint718 wrote: post #13

Yuck. I had heard previously about how difficult it is to completely remove yourself from FB, but this getting unreasonable. Also I have an issue with the article: > Someone can still take your photo, slap it on Facebook, and now neither you nor the author of the photo can stop Facebook from using the photo in whichever way they please. I doubt that that's the case. If someone takes something to which I have a copyri…

No you're absolutely correct. If someone takes your photo (I read about this for a childrens entertainer and someone duped her account) facebook will disable the persons account and likely depending on the situation may take extra steps (I believe in the case I'm thinking of, Facebook gave a list of the IP's and times the user had accessed the duplicate account from to the police in case they believed it was potentially criminal due to the nature of the womans job and the likely hood of the dupe being made by a pedophile).

Facebooks ToS explicitly state that they respect the IP rights of others and that they will remove any infringing content, or for repeat offenders their account will permanently be suspended (presumably their email will be banned too). It also says they do everything in accordance with the DMCA. The one thing people don't understand about the DMCA is that whilst it might be evil, it also protects individuals as much as companies because every single photo, sentence or anything you or I make or write are immediately copy protected in all western countries.

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by flatline »

johnrob wrote: post #18
Alex3917 wrote: post #7

Are people really worried about this? The only reason this is in the TOS is so they have the right to keep running their data mining algorithms even after you delete your account, in case they find a new way to leverage your data. It's not like they're going to start selling a poetry anthology of your stuff or something.

Facebook has the right to use your picture in an advertisement. I find that disturbing. I'd imagine Barack Obama's account might have some useful images (they'd never do that, but it drives home my point).

They may never do that, but who else might? The agreement states that the rights are transferrable, may be sublicensed, etc., which I would imagine they would do in bulk. Plus, that content is now theirs forever...twenty years from now, fifty years from now, it could still be in use.

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by electromagnetic »

Alex3917 wrote: post #7

Are people really worried about this? The only reason this is in the TOS is so they have the right to keep running their data mining algorithms even after you delete your account, in case they find a new way to leverage your data. It's not like they're going to start selling a poetry anthology of your stuff or something.

They may also be subject to changes in the law. In the EU telco's are required to retain information for 6-24 months on any electronic message, I'm wondering if the laws are shifting for big companies too.

I wouldn't doubt if governments will be forcing FB and other social networking sites to retain data for several years to help in any police or terrorism investigations.

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by eru »

twopoint718 wrote: post #13

Yuck. I had heard previously about how difficult it is to completely remove yourself from FB, but this getting unreasonable. Also I have an issue with the article: > Someone can still take your photo, slap it on Facebook, and now neither you nor the author of the photo can stop Facebook from using the photo in whichever way they please. I doubt that that's the case. If someone takes something to which I have a copyri…

If I shoot a photo of you, it's not in your copyright (as far as I know).

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

Alex3917 wrote: post #7

Are people really worried about this? The only reason this is in the TOS is so they have the right to keep running their data mining algorithms even after you delete your account, in case they find a new way to leverage your data. It's not like they're going to start selling a poetry anthology of your stuff or something.

The problem isn't that facebook is gonna use your stuff - it would be too much of a pr shitstorm for them.

The problem is that facebook is still bleeding money. Once they go belly-up, all their assets will be sold to the highest bidder, and the world largest collection of stock photos will likely be among the most valuable of them.

I have serious problems with "irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense)".

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by iamelgringo »

raheemm wrote: post #14
Alex3917 wrote: post #7

Are people really worried about this? The only reason this is in the TOS is so they have the right to keep running their data mining algorithms even after you delete your account, in case they find a new way to leverage your data. It's not like they're going to start selling a poetry anthology of your stuff or something.

This makes me seriously think about quitting FB

I quit a couple of months ago. It's just not worth it.

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

naveensundar wrote: post #12
josefresco wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple, because the old TOS said they didn't have to. And why would they? "Hey we just changed our TOS to take even more control over your stuff, are you still okay with that? Yes/No" And if you're using Facebook now, you should be okay with the change because it's not like much has actually changed with regard to how FB is going to use/sell your data.

One TOS to rule them all : "We can change this TOS anytime and your agreement to this TOS implies agreement to any changes made to it" No need to have anything more in it.

Not legal in Europe.

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by cellis »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #26
Alex3917 wrote: post #7

Are people really worried about this? The only reason this is in the TOS is so they have the right to keep running their data mining algorithms even after you delete your account, in case they find a new way to leverage your data. It's not like they're going to start selling a poetry anthology of your stuff or something.

The problem isn't that facebook is gonna use your stuff - it would be too much of a pr shitstorm for them. The problem is that facebook is still bleeding money. Once they go belly-up, all their assets will be sold to the highest bidder, and the world largest collection of stock photos will likely be among the most valuable of them. I have serious problems with "irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, ful…

Once they go belly up...

Not likely. More likely is that someone that has deep pockets and lives in Redmond purchases them for something like 2X (8 billion).

Re: Facebook TOS Change: All Your Stuff is Ours, Even if You Quit

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Post by redrobot5050 »

cellis wrote: post #29
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't that facebook is gonna use your stuff - it would be too much of a pr shitstorm for them. The problem is that facebook is still bleeding money. Once they go belly-up, all their assets will be sold to the highest bidder, and the world largest collection of stock photos will likely be among the most valuable of them. I have serious problems with "irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, ful…

Once they go belly up... Not likely. More likely is that someone that has deep pockets and lives in Redmond purchases them for something like 2X (8 billion).

Agreed. Keep in mind that Facebook's original V.C. Investments came from the C.I.A.'s "Advanced Technology Research and Development Venture Capitial" Arm. (Say that three times fast.)

Governments being governments, they'd likely throw good money after bad. They might also feel, having gotten everyone in one central database, that Facebook is "too big to fail".

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