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Training our own AI models

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Re: Training our own AI models

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If "we will opt everyone in because otherwise we won't get enough data because we know users won't opt in" is your business model, maybe it's time for a rethink.

Defaults matter. Opt-in vs opt-out organ donorship has a large impact. Most people on any web app won’t stray from the defaults.

yea except one is a "dark pattern" to exploit customers for corporate profit while the other is to benefit society.

Re: Training our own AI models

#23
Perhaps if they hopped on a quick call for five minutes with some customers, they'd realize quite how little appetite there is for putting up with being opted into things automatically in the US but not in the EU.

As an aside, this also means the EU rules are working.

Re: Training our own AI models

#24
post #4

Most companies would bury this change in a deceptively boring T&Cs update, but we value transparency, so here's what you need to know in an internet-friendly numbered list: Users on our EU cloud instance are opted out by default So too users with agreements that prevent training (e.g. BAA, MSA, or similar) All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default We will anonymize all data before it's used for…

> All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default This is slimy.

It's slimy because your government allows it, this doesn't have to be the case.

1. Lobby your representatives to improve your data protection laws, even if you think it's pointless to do so

2. Stop attacking EU data protection laws, even if they inconvenience you

As can be seen from this announcement, data protection laws do make a difference.

Re: Training our own AI models

#25
post #3

I initially used Posthog as an alternative to Google Analytics with more privacy. Now they want to use the data for a business purpose. Working hard towards enshitification?

> I initially used Posthog as an alternative to Google Analytics with more privacy. This does not make any sense. > Now they want to use the data for a business purpose. They raised VC money and they want a return so this was predictable.

It makes perfect sense actually

Re: Training our own AI models

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post #4

Most companies would bury this change in a deceptively boring T&Cs update, but we value transparency, so here's what you need to know in an internet-friendly numbered list: Users on our EU cloud instance are opted out by default So too users with agreements that prevent training (e.g. BAA, MSA, or similar) All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default We will anonymize all data before it's used for…

Cant wait to see posthog crash and burn, i have hated their service for years now.

Re: Training our own AI models

#27
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If "we will opt everyone in because otherwise we won't get enough data because we know users won't opt in" is your business model, maybe it's time for a rethink.

Defaults matter. Opt-in vs opt-out organ donorship has a large impact. Most people on any web app won’t stray from the defaults.

Which we probably need to consider changing now that some truly bizarre and evil shit is being done on donor organs:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48212992

Re: Training our own AI models

#28
Thanks for posting. I had been in the fence for the past few months of switching. The new AI products combined with the weird UIs had been irking me for a while. This is the final nail in the coffin. Opt-in is a terrible business model imo.

Re: Training our own AI models

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default This is slimy.

It's slimy because your government allows it, this doesn't have to be the case. 1. Lobby your representatives to improve your data protection laws, even if you think it's pointless to do so 2. Stop attacking EU data protection laws, even if they inconvenience you As can be seen from this announcement, data protection laws do make a difference.

yes, of course!

Re: Training our own AI models

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post #4

Most companies would bury this change in a deceptively boring T&Cs update, but we value transparency, so here's what you need to know in an internet-friendly numbered list: Users on our EU cloud instance are opted out by default So too users with agreements that prevent training (e.g. BAA, MSA, or similar) All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default We will anonymize all data before it's used for…

There is no such thing as opt in by default - and burning that amount of customer goodwill because you want something instead of say, giving a discount to people who are willing to do it is a choice for people who have a lot more market share and their customers would have more trouble leaving.
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