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AI Startup Says It Will Pay People $2k a Month to Masturbate
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Users think otherwise. I agree it is dystopian, but to me it is the same bucket as sex work. There are people that won't be able to get a sex partner in a "normal" way. The only way for them is sex workers. I assume the same is true here. A lot of people have real trouble to get romantic partner, and AI filla the void. It may look bad from the outside, but I don't think normal people can judge romantically deprived.…
Providing an AI "companion" to those who are lonely is kind of like selling drugs to addicts. Yes, it's what they are seeking, and yes, they are suffering. But what you're giving them causes them to suffer more, not less, and it's evil to profit by giving people something that is harming them even if they ask for it.
You’re right, we should kick them while they are down instead, starving them of all “companionship” (otherwise, how could we uphold our current values as a society)? We need to keep producing a regular supply of [redacted] to rally people against in order to maintain the illusion of morale.
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Providing an AI "companion" to those who are lonely is kind of like selling drugs to addicts. Yes, it's what they are seeking, and yes, they are suffering. But what you're giving them causes them to suffer more, not less, and it's evil to profit by giving people something that is harming them even if they ask for it.
How exactly do you think it is harming them? (not teenagers and so-on), curious of your take. Sometimes treatments are useful even if you can't get out of it. AI companions will never disappear, that's sure, so it's not like giving something temporarily and then removing it. I don't really use any form of AI as companion, but I do use it for introspection, I wouldn't say it's harmful, I think it depends on the depth…
I think that computers can't be a meaningful companion, because they aren't actually sentient. They can't truly sympathize with you, nudge you to grow when needed, and so on. Moreover, I think that treating a machine as a friend (or a lover) is going to stunt one's ability to connect with actual humans.
It's kind of like (though not exactly the same as) guys who watch crazy amounts of porn and jerk off all the time. Those guys have reported that when they are with a real woman, they sometimes can't even get hard (because a real person can't match the stimulation of the artificial thing designed to be as stimulating as possible), or can't have an orgasm (because a vagina isn't as tight as the grip they use when jerking it). In those cases, the outlet those guys were using to fill that need has ruined their ability to enjoy the healthier alternative. I believe that AI "companionship" is going to prove to have a similar effect.
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Providing an AI "companion" to those who are lonely is kind of like selling drugs to addicts. Yes, it's what they are seeking, and yes, they are suffering. But what you're giving them causes them to suffer more, not less, and it's evil to profit by giving people something that is harming them even if they ask for it.
You’re right, we should kick them while they are down instead, starving them of all “companionship” (otherwise, how could we uphold our current values as a society)? We need to keep producing a regular supply of [redacted] to rally people against in order to maintain the illusion of morale.
I didn't say that, any more than I said we should round up all drug addicts and shoot them. What I am saying is that giving a struggling person something which soothes his pain in the short term, while worsening his problem over the long term, is not compassionate treatment. It is preying on the less fortunate, and we should not tolerate it as a society.
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They want the regulation to be that Ai models cannot produce such images at all, not that producing them is illegal
You'd have to have a model that has never seen children, which is perfectly fine, but I can't see any of those with the resources to train such a model form scratch actually doing so.
Wouldn’t help. You just ask for a short adult with slightly different proportions.
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#27> Joi AI is an online platform that includes AI-generated avatars, voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences built around companionship and intimacy. Companionship and intimacy, two things people desperately want and two things AI cannot deliver. This stuff is deeply dystopian and I struggle to believe good faith on the part of people selling this stuff.
I disagree in part and I say that really sadly, but I genuinely think many people will be completely ok with having "AI friends" if let say it was absolutely or close to 1:1 for a human (which should be the case someday) as in good-looking humanoids, you might want to see how a very old person (>80 years old) behave when you put ElevenLabs in a flawless manner, it can be hours of convo daily without stopping, the "jo…
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#28> Joi AI is an online platform that includes AI-generated avatars, voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences built around companionship and intimacy. Companionship and intimacy, two things people desperately want and two things AI cannot deliver. This stuff is deeply dystopian and I struggle to believe good faith on the part of people selling this stuff.
I disagree in part and I say that really sadly, but I genuinely think many people will be completely ok with having "AI friends" if let say it was absolutely or close to 1:1 for a human (which should be the case someday) as in good-looking humanoids, you might want to see how a very old person (>80 years old) behave when you put ElevenLabs in a flawless manner, it can be hours of convo daily without stopping, the "jo…
> but I genuinely think many people will be completely ok with having "AI friends" if let say it was absolutely or close to 1:1 for a human
I disagree, mostly because I don’t think AI friends will ever be “1:1 for a human”. Part of the reason people seek out AI friends is because they are sycophantic. You cannot experience friendship with entities that just tell you how great you are. And I don’t think AI friends that actually push back like human friends would be popular.
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I disagree in part and I say that really sadly, but I genuinely think many people will be completely ok with having "AI friends" if let say it was absolutely or close to 1:1 for a human (which should be the case someday) as in good-looking humanoids, you might want to see how a very old person (>80 years old) behave when you put ElevenLabs in a flawless manner, it can be hours of convo daily without stopping, the "jo…
> but I genuinely think many people will be completely ok with having "AI friends" if let say it was absolutely or close to 1:1 for a human I disagree, mostly because I don’t think AI friends will ever be “1:1 for a human”. Part of the reason people seek out AI friends is because they are sycophantic. You cannot experience friendship with entities that just tell you how great you are. And I don’t think AI friends tha…
Sycophancy hasn't been that big of a problem in years.
And yes, some people can experience their version of friendship. You don't get to decide what's friendship for someone else.
Very bad, yes, I agree with that.
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#30> Joi AI is an online platform that includes AI-generated avatars, voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences built around companionship and intimacy. Companionship and intimacy, two things people desperately want and two things AI cannot deliver. This stuff is deeply dystopian and I struggle to believe good faith on the part of people selling this stuff.
> Companionship and intimacy, two things people desperately want and two things AI cannot deliver.
For a lot of people no human can or is willing to deliver that either. So I'd say alternatives are worth exploring. We already exploit other species to satisfy some of those needs partially.