Next year: Congress bans the Fourier transform.
Don’t joke about that, you’ll give them ideas. particularly as Fourier is credited with discovering the greenhouse effect.
NTSB pulls docket after AI recreates dead pilots' voices
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Re: NTSB pulls docket after AI recreates dead pilots' voices
#22Not the title? US scrambles to stop Internet users re-creating dead pilots’ voices
Maybe Ars changed.. this one make no sense (they didn't pull a docket, they closed the whole docket system) https://www.ntsb.gov/pages/dockets-unavailable.aspx
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#23Grisly, but I’m against restrictions on releasing what should be public information. Even if they came from the 1990s. These knee-jerk reactions, creating special case rules, really seem like a negative to me. Just wait for a ban on posting dash cam or police body cam recordings.
On what basis should the recording of voices of identifiable flight crew (often the last words of people soon-to-perish, perhaps unknowingly) be public information? You seem fairly sure that the public has a right to hear them and that view is not universal and I'm not even sure is a majority view.
The basis is that it's public domain data. And the public a) owns it and b) has property rights that are assertable without cause.
A long time ago (before the infantilization of the American public) this was the default, majority rule. And it's still reflected as the default position in the US Code.
Re: NTSB pulls docket after AI recreates dead pilots' voices
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
On what basis should the recording of voices of identifiable flight crew (often the last words of people soon-to-perish, perhaps unknowingly) be public information? You seem fairly sure that the public has a right to hear them and that view is not universal and I'm not even sure is a majority view.
The basis is that it's public domain data. And the public a) owns it and b) has property rights that are assertable without cause. A long time ago (before the infantilization of the American public) this was the default, majority rule. And it's still reflected as the default position in the US Code.
Does your and my tax return data fall into that same category? Individual health records from the Veterans' Administration? Earnings records from Social Security? Census information down to the individual household? Individual FAFSA (student aid) applications? Records of border crossings or even airline flights taken by individuals?
There's a ton of data the federal government has that I consider proper for them to have but for not every detail to be released in the valid interests of privacy.
If you believe the public has ownership and unfettered access rights over all categories of those data, I understand your argument that these voice recordings should be no different. That's an entirely self-consistent line of reasoning.
If you think that some of that data should not be freely accessible to any member of the public, then it's a valid question to ask "do these voice recordings fall on the private or public side of that line?"
Re: NTSB pulls docket after AI recreates dead pilots' voices
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
On what basis should the recording of voices of identifiable flight crew (often the last words of people soon-to-perish, perhaps unknowingly) be public information? You seem fairly sure that the public has a right to hear them and that view is not universal and I'm not even sure is a majority view.
The basis is that it's public domain data. And the public a) owns it and b) has property rights that are assertable without cause. A long time ago (before the infantilization of the American public) this was the default, majority rule. And it's still reflected as the default position in the US Code.
> it's public domain data.
Are you sure about that? Just because it's now in the custody of the NTSB doesn't mean it's public domain. The NTSB didn't create it.
Re: NTSB pulls docket after AI recreates dead pilots' voices
#26Grisly, but I’m against restrictions on releasing what should be public information. Even if they came from the 1990s. These knee-jerk reactions, creating special case rules, really seem like a negative to me. Just wait for a ban on posting dash cam or police body cam recordings.
The NTSB's publishing of the transcript but not the recording is a pretty standard means for providing full privacy while increasing safety. A recording allows an incident analysis which is extremely useful in updating safety procedures to prevent incidents and plan for the ones that do occur. Publishing the raw sound recording reduces privacy with no increase in safety, but publishing an analysis of the recordings does not harm privacy, while getting the entire safety benefit.
This is different than a privacy vs liability conflict, where a recording isn't going to provide a safety benefit, it'll just move liability around, where there's far more controversy over publishing any analysis of the recording, or even creating one in the first place.
The NTSB should never have published the unredacted spectrograph, as it is effectively a raw sound recording.
Re: NTSB pulls docket after AI recreates dead pilots' voices
#27Next year: Congress bans the Fourier transform.
Don’t joke about that, you’ll give them ideas. particularly as Fourier is credited with discovering the greenhouse effect.
Oh no, I read a book which credited the greenhouse effect to Von Humboldt years ago and have been misinforming people ever since
Re: NTSB pulls docket after AI recreates dead pilots' voices
#28Glad to see financial institutions use voice authentication. Absolutely nothing could go wrong with that.