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Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by metalliqaz »

pj_mukh wrote: post #19

This is a weird fantasy among the literati that AI is a "scam", that we can "expose" them with lots of palace intrigue coverage and SBF or Elizabeth Holmes them away and then everything will be right in the world. Some of the best models are Chinese and Open-source and so-so good and Sam Altman is wholly irrelevant to them. Some folks are in for a very rude awakening.

Rude how?

The fact that Chinese open weight models are useful does not really say anything about whether AI is hyped well beyond its actual worth, or whether the technology will be used for benevolent or nefarious purposes by American oligarchs.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by jgalt212 »

pj_mukh wrote: post #19

This is a weird fantasy among the literati that AI is a "scam", that we can "expose" them with lots of palace intrigue coverage and SBF or Elizabeth Holmes them away and then everything will be right in the world. Some of the best models are Chinese and Open-source and so-so good and Sam Altman is wholly irrelevant to them. Some folks are in for a very rude awakening.

On a certain level it is a scam. AI slop, vibe coding, tokenmaxxing, blaming employee layoffs on AI, pretty much any comment CEOs make about AI, etc.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by pj_mukh »

metalliqaz wrote: post #21
pj_mukh wrote: post #19

This is a weird fantasy among the literati that AI is a "scam", that we can "expose" them with lots of palace intrigue coverage and SBF or Elizabeth Holmes them away and then everything will be right in the world. Some of the best models are Chinese and Open-source and so-so good and Sam Altman is wholly irrelevant to them. Some folks are in for a very rude awakening.

Rude how? The fact that Chinese open weight models are useful does not really say anything about whether AI is hyped well beyond its actual worth, or whether the technology will be used for benevolent or nefarious purposes by American oligarchs.

"AI is hyped well beyond its actual worth, or whether the technology will be used for benevolent or nefarious purposes by American oligarchs."

This article is asking none of those questions. It's mostly a high school gossip column about what was said and with what tone and who used Butt pillows by The New Yorker, it reeks of desperation. If they could just find something nefarious on Sam Altman or show him in a bad light that sticks, they could fix it all and make AI go away.

My point stands, they're in for a Rude awakening.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by hawkice »

Curosinono wrote: post #11

E.H. promised her investors a magic cure -> sharlatan Sam B. stole money from everyone -> thief Sam A. did what? And Musk wanted to do the same thing. Both agreeded, that a non profit will not make enough money to push the frontier. He is only pissed that he didn't get control of openai and he is now pissed again because he apparently should have done the lawsuite a few years back. Despite him having unlimited money…

Non-profits are not the property of their donors, but of the general interest, with obligations to the public. It is part of the legal and social obligations of the legal structure of non-profits.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by booleanbetrayal »

I believe an upset to Altman and a re-characterization of OpenAI to a charitable stance would have left investors scrambling, and would likely have hastened an unwinding of the AI bubble to some degree. It feels like we'll be on this merry-go-round a good deal longer now.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by epistasis »

ScoobleDoodle wrote: post #17
kryptiskt wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Musk couldn't even get over the first stumbling block which is the statute of limitations, does not make the win any lesser. It makes it more decisive, since Musk now has to overcome that hurdle before even having a shot at the meat of the case.

I think parent probably means winning on merit or a sense of justice. As in won for a deserved reason rather than a technicality. The technicality here is exceeded the statute of limitations. A win in any manner isn’t landing the same for observers as winning for a just reason.

There is no "sense of justice" that will sway an appeal, it's all about the law. And this jury just found that there was zero merit under law.

Appeals are for finding legal technicalities or edge cases. They do not overturn findings of fact from a jury.

That is, it used to be that way in the US, when the courts were ruled by law. In the modern US, the Supreme Court is a partisan political body, so perhaps people are confident it will get overturned because Musk is now political enough for the Supreme Court to give Musk personal favors for all his massive political contributions.

That sort of rank corruption is the only reason to be confident that Musk could ever win this silly case.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by dude250711 »

pj_mukh wrote: post #19

This is a weird fantasy among the literati that AI is a "scam", that we can "expose" them with lots of palace intrigue coverage and SBF or Elizabeth Holmes them away and then everything will be right in the world. Some of the best models are Chinese and Open-source and so-so good and Sam Altman is wholly irrelevant to them. Some folks are in for a very rude awakening.

Trying to justify current valuations by misrepresenting current model capabilities is a scam.

A fair valuation of ~$5B each for Anthropic and OpenAI for the occasionally useful tools that they had created would be more reasonable.

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