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News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Post by [deleted] »

entropie wrote: post #16
flippant wrote: post #5

Apologies for the self-promo. Downvote and I'll know not to do it again. This trend of outright banning the Internet Archive has me extremely worried. I fear a future where news articles are memoryholed, and no one can remember exactly what was reported and how sensational it all seemed. I've been working on this project [0] for a while. Originally, I started with a tool that would allow people to snapshot webpages i…

I really like this also reasonable priced. Is there a way to export/download my saves in a reasonable way?

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Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Post by drtz »

sandeepkd wrote: post #11

I think its bound to happen and in some ways it a good thing to happen too. The current state of AI affairs is a lot about outrightly selling some one else's intellectual property. The short term incentives are eroding the trust and goodwill among the natural knowledge actors. The next natural thing to happen would be privatization or consolidation of the internet itself. Its already happening in the form of grabbing…

> The current state of AI affairs is a lot about outrightly selling some one else's intellectual property.

Blocking archiving in a flailing attempt to keep AIs away is extremely shortsighted. Archiving is important for keeping historical context, especially when it comes to news and journalism.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Post by flippant »

entropie wrote: post #16
flippant wrote: post #5

Apologies for the self-promo. Downvote and I'll know not to do it again. This trend of outright banning the Internet Archive has me extremely worried. I fear a future where news articles are memoryholed, and no one can remember exactly what was reported and how sensational it all seemed. I've been working on this project [0] for a while. Originally, I started with a tool that would allow people to snapshot webpages i…

I really like this also reasonable priced. Is there a way to export/download my saves in a reasonable way?

Thank you! Yes, you just get a zip file with all of your saved pages.

It looks like this:

├── files

│ └── 632daffb-2f4f-4795-bb4d-3149d24f4264

│ ├── original.html

│ ├── readerview.html

│ └── screenshot.png

├── manifest.json

└── metadata.csv

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Post by sandeepkd »

drtz wrote: post #22
sandeepkd wrote: post #11

I think its bound to happen and in some ways it a good thing to happen too. The current state of AI affairs is a lot about outrightly selling some one else's intellectual property. The short term incentives are eroding the trust and goodwill among the natural knowledge actors. The next natural thing to happen would be privatization or consolidation of the internet itself. Its already happening in the form of grabbing…

> The current state of AI affairs is a lot about outrightly selling some one else's intellectual property. Blocking archiving in a flailing attempt to keep AIs away is extremely shortsighted. Archiving is important for keeping historical context, especially when it comes to news and journalism.

There is a natural flow of information that allows the information producers to make money for their work. How do you expect that the information producers would be even able to continue to create information when the they are not getting paid anymore.

One possible solution that I can think of for the long term good could be to just allow archival, no retrieval of the latest information, at-least for 6 months or a year. This should theoretically allow most goals.

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Post by ronsor »

sandeepkd wrote: post #11

I think its bound to happen and in some ways it a good thing to happen too. The current state of AI affairs is a lot about outrightly selling some one else's intellectual property. The short term incentives are eroding the trust and goodwill among the natural knowledge actors. The next natural thing to happen would be privatization or consolidation of the internet itself. Its already happening in the form of grabbing…

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Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Post by flippant »

entropie wrote: post #20
iamalizard wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's definitely a copyright nightmare - so no clue how this could work. It could work as a decentralized free and open source system that doesn't care about copyright. Like how torrents work now, but it would be good to have it work over Tor or something. Perhaps as a DAO for the management aspect of it. I don't know how exactly. But disregarding copyright by using a centralized company is the wrong idea. Or you ca…

You - as a company - can just avoid any copyright stuff when your extension saves the stuff only on the client. I see there are many other issues then. The torrent approach is nice. I could imagine a selfhosted way to store the data (for a group of people)

> I could imagine a selfhosted way to store the data (for a group of people)

Linkwarden does this well. You can share a collection for a small group of people.

https://github.com/linkwarden/linkwarden

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Post by poisonfountain »

svachalek wrote: post #4

There really should be a micropayments setup on the internet that's not advertising based. Let these models pay a nickel to read the article, covered by the multi trillion dollar AI blank check.

Cloudflare is trying to push for that, but every time it's mentioned people complain (because they hate Cloudflare for making them wait 2s for a captcha) and nobody proposes an alternative solution. I don't think this is going to happen, unfortunately, and the internet will get silo-ed into oblivion.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

Of course they are, because they are not primarily concerned with the reporting of noteworthy events. They are most worried about profit with the secondary goal of reporting but only insofar as it serves the first goal. This is a wider trend across many industries.

Obviously, a business needs to have an income but it's becoming more common for businesses to function first and foremast as revenue generators and the thing that enables that is only seen as a means to an end. When the quality of the product/service and it's function as a revenue generator diverge, the product/service will always take 2nd chair.

Maybe we could argue that the primary product is the revenue, especially when there are investors involved who are looking for big returns.

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