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Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Post by Aunche »

Aboutplants wrote: post #3

So scalpers will use bots to generate listens and shares, boosting listens for Spotify, in order to gain access to premium tickets. They are just adding a “barrier” that only inflates their listen counts while probably making it worse on actual valid ticket purchasers. I don’t see how this works out as planned

They'd probably make this a feature for paying customers. I don't think the economics of scalping this at scale would make sense you're spending money for months and risk Spotify banning you if you get caught.

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Post by jmuguy »

joshl32532 wrote: post #10

This is the problem with public listed companies that need to "maximize shareholder values" and look for infinite growth. I just want Spotify for music (playlist, recommendation, lossless audio). I don't need their podcast, audiobook, ChatGPT, concert tickets etc. This just makes their app bloated for features I will never use.

Another reason to use Bandcamp and just buy music. Of course then you've gotta setup a whole stack to store it, make it available to your devices, etc etc. I dunno, Spotify certainly isn't going to get better at this point. Best we can hope is that they die and something better takes their place.

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Post by skeeter2020 »

dominotw wrote: post #13
joshl32532 wrote: post #10

This is the problem with public listed companies that need to "maximize shareholder values" and look for infinite growth. I just want Spotify for music (playlist, recommendation, lossless audio). I don't need their podcast, audiobook, ChatGPT, concert tickets etc. This just makes their app bloated for features I will never use.

music listening has been falling for a while now. no company public or not will choose to commit suicide out of purity principle

Spotify is welcome to go into all those other businesses, but why do they have to destroy their one valuable resource in an attempt to leverage it for all this other garbage? Doing one thing really good - so good that people will pay you for it - is not a "purity principle". It used to be the fundamental reason for existence for many companies.

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Post by ai-x »

dangus wrote: post #20
827a wrote: post #5

For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

I’m against it from these angles: 1. I like live concerts but I don’t spend my days listening to a lot of music. I would be considered “not a fan” by these metrics. 2 The monopolistic aspect. I subscribe to a much smaller Spotify competitor, now I’m at a disadvantage. 3. I don’t consider scalping a problem. The market price is determined by demand. It’s also been a problem that has been solved by artist presales and…

You are just being punished for your poor judgement for not backing the winner. Not sure why you should be rewarded.

It's the same logic for de-googlers. You can't De-Google yourself and then bitch about some Google products work better on Google products.

If you are a proud edge-lord/hipster with your obscure choices, you should also learn to deal with consequences.

Scale brings advantages. You can't have it both ways

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Post by gtm1260 »

badgersnake wrote: post #7
827a wrote: post #5

For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

Make it illegal to sell tickets above face value.

How does this not just bias who gets ticket to those with more time preference.

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Post by Semaphor »

jmuguy wrote: post #22
joshl32532 wrote: post #10

This is the problem with public listed companies that need to "maximize shareholder values" and look for infinite growth. I just want Spotify for music (playlist, recommendation, lossless audio). I don't need their podcast, audiobook, ChatGPT, concert tickets etc. This just makes their app bloated for features I will never use.

Another reason to use Bandcamp and just buy music. Of course then you've gotta setup a whole stack to store it, make it available to your devices, etc etc. I dunno, Spotify certainly isn't going to get better at this point. Best we can hope is that they die and something better takes their place.

My impression from the selfhosted sub is that most people looking to replace spotify are not into albums, and want a lot of popular music not available on BC.

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Post by skeeter2020 »

827a wrote: post #5

For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

so they're partnering with Live Nation, the same company that's part of the vertically integrated monopoly on ticketing, venues, and resale. Nobody is buying these tickets for cash from a scalper outside of the venue. My 2-min tought: tie use of the ticket to the payment method or id of the purchaser; allow limited transfers. If LN/TM actually cared they'd provide for risk-free transfer without charging ridiculous mark-up. Since they sell the orginial ticket 95% of the time they have almost complete control over the pricing and consumer's id.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Post by lbreakjai »

827a wrote: post #5

For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

Why should anything be done? If people are willing to pay five times the face value for a ticket, then it signals that tickets are priced too low. Let the market price itself.

Harry Styles is playing in my city, he's apparently very popular, but there's still plenty of tickets available for as low as 47€ for tomorrow.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Post by arnvald »

kgwxd wrote: post #26

Why is scalping a problem?

Fewer people go to concerts, fans can’t afford the tickets, less connection with the artists, less interest in music overall.

Artists lose, even if they get paid and all the tickets technically are sold out. Fans lose. The only people who win are scalpers who just abuse the system.

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