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Re: Click (2016)

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Post by jrowen »

foxfired wrote: post #14

I've always added analytics scripts on websites I worked on. It was second nature for me. Then when I got my own start up, I didn't just add regular analytics but one that tracks mouse movements so you can watch sessions back like a video [0]. I told a friend about my start up and she jumped on it immediately. I opened the tool and watched her interaction. Then I told her "oh so you opened the dev tools" She immediat…

I think there's a very interesting duality forming around privacy. It seems like most people don't really care if they're being filmed, or if their data is being slurped up six ways from Sunday, as long as it's aggregated and going through automated systems. But as soon as it feels like an actual person is looking at individual behavior, it's creepy (which is, of course, always a possibility, but plausible deniability is a powerful thing).

Re: Click (2016)

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Post by layer8 »

busymom0 wrote: post #7

I am not sure what I am looking at. It's telling me things which I expect any website to know via basic javascript. What am I missing?

That you’re not the target audience.

Re: Click (2016)

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Post by grumpymuppet »

As a semi-savvy programmer, but with little experience in web-dev, I'm actually a bit ignorant of what a site can measure -- client side -- versus collect server side.

Presumably it's a simple matter to send something back to a server, but I've really never thought about the mechanisms involved.

Re: Click (2016)

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Post by m463 »

jrowen wrote: post #21
foxfired wrote: post #14

I've always added analytics scripts on websites I worked on. It was second nature for me. Then when I got my own start up, I didn't just add regular analytics but one that tracks mouse movements so you can watch sessions back like a video [0]. I told a friend about my start up and she jumped on it immediately. I opened the tool and watched her interaction. Then I told her "oh so you opened the dev tools" She immediat…

I think there's a very interesting duality forming around privacy. It seems like most people don't really care if they're being filmed, or if their data is being slurped up six ways from Sunday, as long as it's aggregated and going through automated systems. But as soon as it feels like an actual person is looking at individual behavior, it's creepy (which is, of course, always a possibility, but plausible deniabilit…

it's not a duality at all. the people don't know.

the people doing the "analytics" (surveillance) like their privacy too, because they are doing creepy stuff and don't want people to know it. And even if they aren't doing creepy stuff, the data might be used that way in the future (profile building, psychological tricks, personalized pricing, sharing behavior with others, etc)

Re: Click (2016)

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Post by raincole »

slopinthebag wrote: post #15
hspeiser wrote: post #4

thats pretty creepy. I find it unnerving that they know exactly where my cursor is.

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HN comments really can't beat the spectrum stereotypes...

But seriously, the parent comment isn't saying the technical fact a browser can see your cursor's coordinate is unnerving. They're saying the experience of being reminded of this fact is unnerving.

Technically, every time you take a bus ride the driver can just decide to crash the vehicle and kill the passengers and himself. This fact itself isn't unnerving -- it's just how buses work. But if there were a poster on the bus reminding passengers of that, that'd be quite unnerving.

Re: Click (2016)

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Post by latexr »

jrowen wrote: post #21
foxfired wrote: post #14

I've always added analytics scripts on websites I worked on. It was second nature for me. Then when I got my own start up, I didn't just add regular analytics but one that tracks mouse movements so you can watch sessions back like a video [0]. I told a friend about my start up and she jumped on it immediately. I opened the tool and watched her interaction. Then I told her "oh so you opened the dev tools" She immediat…

I think there's a very interesting duality forming around privacy. It seems like most people don't really care if they're being filmed, or if their data is being slurped up six ways from Sunday, as long as it's aggregated and going through automated systems. But as soon as it feels like an actual person is looking at individual behavior, it's creepy (which is, of course, always a possibility, but plausible deniabilit…

> It seems like most people don't really care if they're being filmed, or if their data is being slurped up six ways from Sunday

For the majority of people I don’t think it’s true that they don’t care, but rather that they don’t know, don’t understand the implications, or don’t have the luxury of being able to do anything about it.

In the instances where I was able to have a longer discussion with someone to really explain what’s going on, they did care. Even if they previously said they didn’t.

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