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Post by downrightmike »

bko wrote: post #7

The weird thing about surveillance is it's targets. If you want an orderly society and to enforce the law, there are easy ways to do so w/ no additional resources or powers. You can just start by enforcing the law. Open air illegal drug use, retail theft and illegal encampments are issues that plague many big cities. Addressing them would greatly improve the lives of nearly everyone, but for whatever reason there is…

Wage theft by employers in Canada outpaces retail theft, costing Canadian workers an estimated $15 billion annually. In contrast, organized retail shrink and shoplifting cost the retail sector roughly $9 billion per year.

Re: Canada’s Bill C-22 would weaken protections on private messages

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Post by DrewADesign »

bko wrote: post #7

The weird thing about surveillance is it's targets. If you want an orderly society and to enforce the law, there are easy ways to do so w/ no additional resources or powers. You can just start by enforcing the law. Open air illegal drug use, retail theft and illegal encampments are issues that plague many big cities. Addressing them would greatly improve the lives of nearly everyone, but for whatever reason there is…

The problems you cited are merely symptoms of structural societal problems. Treating the symptoms is pretty much the only approach we’ve tried because trying to address the systemic problems is woke communist tyranny. The US, for example, has the 5th (and also 6th if you include Guam) highest incarceration rate in the world, and also owns 10% of the top 50 cities for homicides. Making it illegal to be addicted to drugs or too poor or mentally ill to provide yourself with housing does not cure the addicts of addiction, the mentally ill of mental illness, or the poor of their poverty. There’s a reason we eliminated debtors prisons.

Any problem can have a simple solution if you ignore enough about it. If this was entirely about personal responsibility or entirely about providing government services we’d have had these problems licked decades ago.

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Post by slopinthebag »

bko wrote: post #7

The weird thing about surveillance is it's targets. If you want an orderly society and to enforce the law, there are easy ways to do so w/ no additional resources or powers. You can just start by enforcing the law. Open air illegal drug use, retail theft and illegal encampments are issues that plague many big cities. Addressing them would greatly improve the lives of nearly everyone, but for whatever reason there is…

It's just another style of anarcho-tyrrany.

Re: Canada’s Bill C-22 would weaken protections on private messages

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Post by areoform »

Discussions about the surveillance state are too abstract for most people. I think it's important to point out the obvious; the surveillance state is not all it's cracked up to be.

As I've said before, the implicit lie Hollywood has sold is that these weapons will be used with the gravity and seriousness they deserve by consummate professionals.

NSA employees have used multi-billion dollar American surveillance assets to spy on women they're infatuated with. It's called "LOVEINT."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/loveint-nsa-letter-disclo...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nsa-staff-used-spy-tools-spouses-...

    In another instance, a foreign woman who was employed by the U.S. government suspected that her lover, an NSA civilian employee, was listening to her phone calls. She shared her suspicion with another government employee, who reported it. An investigation found the man abused NSA databases from 1998 to 2003 to snoop on nine phone numbers of foreign women and twice collected communications of an American, according to the inspector general's report.
And it's going to get stupider. Pettier. Meaner. Dubai and the richer gulf states have been arresting people for photos sent in private Whatsapp chats,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/03/31/expats-fle...

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15693741/Paranoid-Dub...

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15739739/airline-work...

They've arrested hundreds of ordinary people for messages that they've sent privately to their friends and family, including Americans,

    According to official figures released alongside the announcement, the 109 arrests form part of a broader enforcement campaign that has seen 189 individuals detained since the beginning of the conflict on February 28. Of those arrested, 67 are UAE nationals, while 122 are foreign residents or visitors representing 23 different nationalities. The largest groups among the foreign detainees include Indian nationals (31), Pakistani nationals (22), Filipino nationals (18), Egyptian nationals (14), and British nationals (9). The remaining 28 detainees come from a mix of other nationalities including Americans, Canadians, Australians, and various European and Asian passport holders.
I think this is the first example of mass persecution by Large Language Model. Gulf states have admitted to having access to Whatsapp messaging data, https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/insight/dubai-police-use-what... – and there are just too many ordinary people talking to too many different sets of friends and families in private DMs and groups for it to be anything but a multi-modal model searching through the data and flagging photos and conversations.

They're doing it for these photos today. Sooner or later one of these states will expand this to lèse majesté laws and then eventually defamation in the west; when it (inevitably) gets imported back home.

We all get to have the Stasi in our pockets now.

Re: Canada’s Bill C-22 would weaken protections on private messages

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Post by bko »

downrightmike wrote: post #21
bko wrote: post #7

The weird thing about surveillance is it's targets. If you want an orderly society and to enforce the law, there are easy ways to do so w/ no additional resources or powers. You can just start by enforcing the law. Open air illegal drug use, retail theft and illegal encampments are issues that plague many big cities. Addressing them would greatly improve the lives of nearly everyone, but for whatever reason there is…

Wage theft by employers in Canada outpaces retail theft, costing Canadian workers an estimated $15 billion annually. In contrast, organized retail shrink and shoplifting cost the retail sector roughly $9 billion per year.

I dont see your point. Because wage theft is a thing a small minority can steal and drive up costs for everyone.

Also I never understood what wage theft really is. My experience has been the opposite. People paid to work and doing shit like reading news, social media or shopping. You'll also see spikes in shopping on Monday as people go back to "work". That's the reason it's called cyber Monday. Most companies are extremely over staffed w maybe like 20% of people in non bs roles.

Im sure you'll point me to some left leaning think tank detailing how everyone is getting screwed over but its just not my experience

Re: Canada’s Bill C-22 would weaken protections on private messages

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Post by macki0 »

bko wrote: post #7

The weird thing about surveillance is it's targets. If you want an orderly society and to enforce the law, there are easy ways to do so w/ no additional resources or powers. You can just start by enforcing the law. Open air illegal drug use, retail theft and illegal encampments are issues that plague many big cities. Addressing them would greatly improve the lives of nearly everyone, but for whatever reason there is…

I don’t understand the outrage around the “mean tweet” arrests. The UK has freedom of expression, somewhat more restrive than that in the US with more of a focus on public order, but with limits for things like threats and harassment. If it’s not acceptable to threaten to beat someone up (or threaten to murder/rape/burn down hotel) in person, why should it be acceptable to do it online?

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Post by subscribed »

bko wrote: post #26
downrightmike wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wage theft by employers in Canada outpaces retail theft, costing Canadian workers an estimated $15 billion annually. In contrast, organized retail shrink and shoplifting cost the retail sector roughly $9 billion per year.

I dont see your point. Because wage theft is a thing a small minority can steal and drive up costs for everyone. Also I never understood what wage theft really is. My experience has been the opposite. People paid to work and doing shit like reading news, social media or shopping. You'll also see spikes in shopping on Monday as people go back to "work". That's the reason it's called cyber Monday. Most companies are ex…

If you don't know what the wage theft is, why don't you just Google it before admitting that your experience is the opposite of the well studied and defined phenomenon you say you don't understand.

I'm puzzled.

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lifestyleguru wrote: post #14

Just like TSA keyhole in every suitcase and every older suitcase without it gets incidentally gutted!

You mean the TSA keys that definitely didn't get leaked years ago so every 3D printer user can try that at home?

Because this is what I think about adding backdoors to the crypto.

Re: Canada’s Bill C-22 would weaken protections on private messages

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Post by bko »

subscribed wrote: post #28
bko wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont see your point. Because wage theft is a thing a small minority can steal and drive up costs for everyone. Also I never understood what wage theft really is. My experience has been the opposite. People paid to work and doing shit like reading news, social media or shopping. You'll also see spikes in shopping on Monday as people go back to "work". That's the reason it's called cyber Monday. Most companies are ex…

If you don't know what the wage theft is, why don't you just Google it before admitting that your experience is the opposite of the well studied and defined phenomenon you say you don't understand. I'm puzzled.

Yes, I read about it. It doesn't really ring true to me. Some places don't pay overtime, true, but usually local mom and pop shops or jobs that are under the table. It's inconceivable to me that a large multi-national corporation would think "ah yes, let's illegally screw over a few low wage workers and hope no one finds out".

The contractor thing is pretty much BS. I remember the debate when California tried to classify Uber drivers as full time employees, when in reality they were able to set their own hours, work as much or as little as they wanted to and often drove for their competitors at the same time, picking rides based on fares offered.

So yeah, I think a lot of it is BS, but thanks for telling me to google it.

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