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Someone Shared a Real Monet Painting as AI and Asked for Critiques

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Re: Someone Shared a Real Monet Painting as AI and Asked for Critiques

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

smallnix wrote: post #15
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #10

But this is why we have “experts”. It’s like the guy playing a Stradivarius on the NYC subway. Most people can’t distinguish ok from brilliant, in a subject they don’t understand. Most humans cannot distinguish slop code from decent code but I assume most HNers can. However I can’t tell you why one electrical wiring job is better than another unless it looks untidy. Once you get passed a minimum level of decent we ha…

But why do we have to rely on experts to experience 'proper' art? My naive thought was, that Art is not like a bridge, which would collapse if built by amateur's. But perhaps art has effects on us which are beneficial and these would actually 'collapse'.

We don’t need to rely on experts to experience art - I think that is a fundamental part of art- within the limits similar to free speech, anything is art. (But don’t block rush hour traffic with your interpretive dance troupe)

Is a painting by AI art? Sure

Is a painting by Monet better than one painted by me? Most people would say yes.

Can some people explain why? Yes. They are not “experts” in the same way the Oxford Professor of nuclear physics is an expert but it is on the same scale.

Or possibly I am just hallucinating the argument because you prompted me to…

Re: Someone Shared a Real Monet Painting as AI and Asked for Critiques

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

dgellow wrote: post #18
smallnix wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why do we have to rely on experts to experience 'proper' art? My naive thought was, that Art is not like a bridge, which would collapse if built by amateur's. But perhaps art has effects on us which are beneficial and these would actually 'collapse'.

Experts can help frame and understand an art piece. They can provide information regarding the craft, how the piece fits with other work from that time, what were the cultural influences, how the life of the artist influenced the work, etc. but you never had to rely on experts to experience or identify what proper art is. However at the end of the day art is a social concept, it’s something we negotiate between us, h…

Thanks … nicely put

That helps me frame the experts vs science idea.

Science is just the parts that evidence does not disprove.

Expertise is understanding how the various explanations we have with science fits together, framing it as it were, and using that understanding to make sensible directional choices. Of course those predictions may later be proven wrong (light is a wave, waves need mediums, ether must exist) but they are more likely than guessing

Re: Someone Shared a Real Monet Painting as AI and Asked for Critiques

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Post by franze »

Last summer I created and printed out a book "Claude Code - An Autobiography" written by Claude Code. Read it on the beach during vacation.

It was a hallucinated mess. And, not the worst book I have ever read. Entertaining.

So, if AI would wrote the perfect book, would you read it? Or do we need to be able to relate to the creator/ author to really appreciate it? Do we need to appreciate something to enjoy it?

Re: Someone Shared a Real Monet Painting as AI and Asked for Critiques

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Post by lukko »

BlackFly wrote: post #20

Rarely do people get the right takeaway from this effect. Take a normal bottle of red wine and some top tier, swap them around so the ordinary is in the expensive bottle and vice versa. Serve them. People prefer the ordinary wine in the expensive bottle. Bad takeaway: taste is meaningless. Good takeaway: qualia depends on many contextual cues beyond the obvious. Part of the appreciation of Monet is the fact that it w…

Exactly - context is everything in art, in how it's experienced and how it is created.

I think it's important to note that a jpg of Monet is not fully experiencing the painting in any sense. Colours will not be accurately captured, the texture, the framing, the scale - it's sort of like getting a heavily watered down version of the expensive wine, saying it's cheap wine, and asking what people think.

Re: Someone Shared a Real Monet Painting as AI and Asked for Critiques

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Post by DeathArrow »

franze wrote: post #23

Last summer I created and printed out a book "Claude Code - An Autobiography" written by Claude Code. Read it on the beach during vacation. It was a hallucinated mess. And, not the worst book I have ever read. Entertaining. So, if AI would wrote the perfect book, would you read it? Or do we need to be able to relate to the creator/ author to really appreciate it? Do we need to appreciate something to enjoy it?

>So, if AI would wrote the perfect book

There is no perfect book.

If it was a technical book, I would read it, I don't see why not.

But if supposedly AI wrote a good novel, I wouldn't read it probably, because I am interested in how humans are creative, not the AI. But I wouldn't probably declare the book as junk, either.

Re: Someone Shared a Real Monet Painting as AI and Asked for Critiques

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Post by andybak »

BlackFly wrote: post #20

Rarely do people get the right takeaway from this effect. Take a normal bottle of red wine and some top tier, swap them around so the ordinary is in the expensive bottle and vice versa. Serve them. People prefer the ordinary wine in the expensive bottle. Bad takeaway: taste is meaningless. Good takeaway: qualia depends on many contextual cues beyond the obvious. Part of the appreciation of Monet is the fact that it w…

Yes and no. Whilst I agree with your broad point, the point being made here is largely that the people dumping on the "AI" Monet are claiming objectivity about their opinions. And in many cases claiming that it's obvious to anyone with an eye for such things.

Re: Someone Shared a Real Monet Painting as AI and Asked for Critiques

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Post by fellerts »

franze wrote: post #23

Last summer I created and printed out a book "Claude Code - An Autobiography" written by Claude Code. Read it on the beach during vacation. It was a hallucinated mess. And, not the worst book I have ever read. Entertaining. So, if AI would wrote the perfect book, would you read it? Or do we need to be able to relate to the creator/ author to really appreciate it? Do we need to appreciate something to enjoy it?

I'm reminded by this short story posted to HN a couple months ago: https://nearzero.software/p/warranty-void-if-regenerated

The discussion is interesting as many people didn't catch that it was mostly written by Claude: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47431237

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