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Scientist Creates Self-Filling Water Bottle

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In what ways is this different from existing dehumidifiers? Form-factor and energy-efficiency I assume, but do they otherwise do the same thing?

Most dehumidifiers are basically an air conditioner. They cool down a coil and draw air over it to cause the water to condense out.

This sounds like some sort of nanotech approach that causes the water to condense without needing a temperature change. It may not even require any power, if you can accept a slow rate of water collection.

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My question is what kind of contaminants (or none!) this process picks up - If you're getting your water from a polluted atmosphere (say, LA), what kind of pollutants end up in your water? Or does it produce "ultra-pure" water, leading to weird health risks like hyponatremia?

I was wondering this as well. Does it need a purification process?

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This is a fabulous technology, but we shouldn't get carried away. Firstly, this is another disruption of the world's water cycle, which we have already managed to a considerable degree, and if we manage atmospheric water extraction on a massive scale, we will wreak havoc with the climate (again).

Note, I said: if we do this on a massive scale.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good work. I imagine 1g/1m^3 is roughly what you'd expect - especially in a desert. If the extractor area is the size of the bottle's cap (2cm x 2cm = 4e-4m^2) then to get a litre of water (1e3 m^3 air) requires 2.5e6m of air to flow past it - If you want it full in a day that's 30m/s... hmmm... doesn't seem likely. However if the size of the extractor area is as large as the bottle (say 10cm x 10cm = 1e-2m^2) then a…

i think you're confusing collecting area with airflow cross-section. they're completely different things, unless somehow the air is blowing through the side of the (solid) bottle.

Not really. This volume of air has to make contact with the bottle, whatever the collecting area's shape. Imagine loosely fitting a tube around the neck of the collecting area. All the air has to pass through that tube.

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You can see more about collecting water out of the air at http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/03/07/the-fog-collectors-h... . Having lived in the Atacama desert I know there are already ways to do it and am very curious about the efficiency of this new system. In coastal northern Chile conditions are about as perfect as possible but it is still a slow process.

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This may be a stupid question, but if the device requires power in order to move air over the water-collecting surface, would it work without power if it were outside in a breeze? Or is there something about the air flow in terms of its characteristics or location in/on the device that requires a manufactured flow?

I guess the airflow is to make it more efficient. In high humidities, you can easily collect 1 liter potable water with a 3m2 plastic sheet, a clean recipient, a hole in the ground and some sunlight, or just hot weather. It's an old survival trick. His apparatus is a kind of upgrade.

The plastic sheet process is different from the one in the article. In the case of the plastic sheet, you are baking the water out of the ground, not extracting it from ambient air. It seldom works well in practice, because you get a little condensation under the sheet, but it's not enough to run in rivulets into the jar, and when you DO get a few drops in the jar, the same process that is baking the water out of the dirt evaporates it from the jar. You end up shaking the plastic, lifting it up and licking it.... Works better in theory than in practice.

But imagine that, instead of a special water bottle, you have a poncho-sized sheet of coated plastic in the shape of a windsock with a coiled wire ring at the opening and a pouch at the end. If this could work like the beetle's wings and take water out of the ambient air, that would be interesting.

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Background info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_well_(condenser)

The device in India shown there produces 15 liters of water per square meter per year. The surface area of a bottle is, say, 500 square cm, or 1/20 of a square meter. That would produce about a liter in a year.

http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/publications/data/2005-01-05gshar... talks of 0.042 liter per square meter per day, in extreme.y high humidity.

Clearly, some efficiency gains are needed w.r.t. those designs to effectively make the claim "water bottle tha fills itself". Whether that is possible, I don't know.

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